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And finally if you find my statement too far out there, just do some searches on the web related to corporations, morality, ethics, and responsibilities. This issue isn&#039;t new. It&#039;s been around for years in magazines, books, and the Web, slowing growing more with each passing year. People are demanding more and more from the companies they deal with. If they don&#039;t find it with one company they will just go some where else. The almightly dollar has spoken.  Companies can deal with it or else go the way of the dinosaur. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hehe, little late on the response on this but, Josh, if you equate addressing the customers needs as an afterthought, if at all, then I would say that your thought process is perfect for the business of today who are losing customers. I think the problem is that you may be thinking that in my statement I&#8217;m saying &#8220;businesses need to do everything in their powers to make their customers happy&#8221;.  I&#8217;m not saying that at all.</p>
<p>The problem that I see today is that companies, as you put it, couldn&#8217;t give a crap about their customers. All they care about is money, as you put it.  This is already changing though. People are pissed of when they buy a product and get crap in return (often times getting a product that doesn&#8217;t even work). Simply put, you can&#8217;t continually keep screwing your customers for their money and expect to get away with it.</p>
<p>That is what I meant by putting your customers first. I&#8217;m saying that instead of companies not caring about their customers at all. They need to find a balance where they can meet the basic needs of their customers, so that those customers will continue to deal with that company. I mean if you don&#8217;t give a crap about your customer, don&#8217;t expect your customer give a crap about you. And as for living on a desert island, I would say that any company that is still not caring about their customers (i.e. meeting their basic needs), even in the slightest, are going to be out of business and on that desert island. Hell, I think the dot com bomb was a perfect example of that.</p>
<p>And finally if you find my statement too far out there, just do some searches on the web related to corporations, morality, ethics, and responsibilities. This issue isn&#8217;t new. It&#8217;s been around for years in magazines, books, and the Web, slowing growing more with each passing year. People are demanding more and more from the companies they deal with. If they don&#8217;t find it with one company they will just go some where else. The almightly dollar has spoken.  Companies can deal with it or else go the way of the dinosaur. :)</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2004/05/movable_type_30_and_community/#comment-18303</link>
		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2004 18:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought development on b2evolution was basically dead.
1.2 looks good. The piece I like most about WordPress I think is the pingbacks... so much easier to work with than trackbacks, no special URL needed... if you link to a pingback enabled site, it knows you linked, and vice versa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought development on b2evolution was basically dead.<br />
1.2 looks good. The piece I like most about WordPress I think is the pingbacks&#8230; so much easier to work with than trackbacks, no special URL needed&#8230; if you link to a pingback enabled site, it knows you linked, and vice versa.</p>
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		<title>By: fwolf</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2004/05/movable_type_30_and_community/#comment-18302</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2004 18:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for those poor, disheartened people who think about changing to WordPress: do a test install and give it a try! Not to mention that IMHO scripts written in PHP 4 are a lot better to modify than Perl based ones. WPs code is not only very easy adjustable (just have a look at my latest done job, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.candies-boutique.de/2.0/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Candies-Boutique.de&lt;/a&gt;, in which I hacked WP the way it works both as a blog, a link page and a guestbook), but also does come with all the stuff one would want in a good weblog software solution. Current release candidate No. 1 does look quite decent. ;)

Another suggestion would be b2evolution, which is the inofficial, direct successor of b2/cafelog, apparently offering all the stuff WP is able plus a bit more.

But if you also got great support with the &#039;complete and total commercialization&#039; of MT, why dont stick with it? Good support is something _I_ would spend money for, even if I was a newbie to blogging (which Im not). You ought to see it from both sides...

cu, w0lf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for those poor, disheartened people who think about changing to WordPress: do a test install and give it a try! Not to mention that IMHO scripts written in PHP 4 are a lot better to modify than Perl based ones. WPs code is not only very easy adjustable (just have a look at my latest done job, <a href="http://www.candies-boutique.de/2.0/" rel="nofollow">Candies-Boutique.de</a>, in which I hacked WP the way it works both as a blog, a link page and a guestbook), but also does come with all the stuff one would want in a good weblog software solution. Current release candidate No. 1 does look quite decent. ;)</p>
<p>Another suggestion would be b2evolution, which is the inofficial, direct successor of b2/cafelog, apparently offering all the stuff WP is able plus a bit more.</p>
<p>But if you also got great support with the &#8216;complete and total commercialization&#8217; of MT, why dont stick with it? Good support is something _I_ would spend money for, even if I was a newbie to blogging (which Im not). You ought to see it from both sides&#8230;</p>
<p>cu, w0lf.</p>
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		<title>By: Alanna</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2004/05/movable_type_30_and_community/#comment-18301</link>
		<dc:creator>Alanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2004 04:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still researching this topic -- again, I just found out about the hubub a couple of hours ago. And though I&#039;ve read many varying opinions, I am still left displeased with Six Apart and MT.

I understand the need to make money. I actually considered the fact that they spent so much time/money on MT for &lt;i&gt;free&lt;/i&gt; to be exceedingly &lt;i&gt;ridiculous&lt;/i&gt; for a business. I knew this had to change, or the company itself would fold. And, as I said, I would be perfectly willing to pay for a reasonably priced personal licensed software -- I have done so before, and do not doubt I shall continue to do so again.

It makes perfectly good sense to me to have a limited free version that will entice you to purchase an upgrade. This is standard business for virtually every software company that I know of.

But I find the limitations of the purchased software to be extremely offensive. I have an analogy to this situation: Say you purchased a SUV from, hmm, Honda. You would expect unlimited use of the car, despite the limitations of said car (it cannot swim through water or fly to the moon). &lt;b&gt;You would not expect for Honda to say you can only drive the car with one passengers on a limit of three roads.&lt;/b&gt; However, you would expect to pay for services and tune ups on your car.

And yet MT has this all messed up. You pay for the software, yet are limited in how you use it. You do not pay for the potentionally unnecessary services, as it is included in the price. What were they &lt;i&gt;thinking&lt;/i&gt;?

And with the backpedaling and damage control that they have had to do and with numerous issues still yet need to resolve, I get the sense that Six Apart honestly did not know their audience expectations and what is the true use of their software. And though it has been said that they are trying to escape their Ma &amp; Pa image, I cannot help but feel that they are not managing to proceed &lt;i&gt;professionally&lt;/i&gt; as one would expect from a business. The whole issue is just really bad business for SixApart and great business for their competitors.

I would like to go ahead and point to three other sources that better outline and expand on what I&#039;ve said. &lt;a href=&quot;http://weblog.burningbird.net/archives/2004/05/13/for-those-about-to-move-to-wordpress-or-textpattern/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Burningbird&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.movabletype.org/support/index.php?act=ST&amp;f=11&amp;t=40800&amp;s=2b36683d858fe5234ea9159414409ddc&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;MT Thread 1&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.movabletype.org/support/index.php?act=ST&amp;f=11&amp;t=40795&amp;s=2b36683d858fe5234ea9159414409ddc&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;MT Thread 2&lt;/a&gt;. Of course there is a great deal more available...

I&#039;m currently looking into my other options, because 2.661 is no longer available for download and I do not have a hardcopy to install from. They, in what I consider bad form, no longer provide previous versions available to download on their site. I am currently researching WordPress and ExpressionEngine to see if they address my needs.

This is disheartening for somebody that has used and advocated MovableType for almost 2 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still researching this topic &#8212; again, I just found out about the hubub a couple of hours ago. And though I&#8217;ve read many varying opinions, I am still left displeased with Six Apart and MT.</p>
<p>I understand the need to make money. I actually considered the fact that they spent so much time/money on MT for <i>free</i> to be exceedingly <i>ridiculous</i> for a business. I knew this had to change, or the company itself would fold. And, as I said, I would be perfectly willing to pay for a reasonably priced personal licensed software &#8212; I have done so before, and do not doubt I shall continue to do so again.</p>
<p>It makes perfectly good sense to me to have a limited free version that will entice you to purchase an upgrade. This is standard business for virtually every software company that I know of.</p>
<p>But I find the limitations of the purchased software to be extremely offensive. I have an analogy to this situation: Say you purchased a SUV from, hmm, Honda. You would expect unlimited use of the car, despite the limitations of said car (it cannot swim through water or fly to the moon). <b>You would not expect for Honda to say you can only drive the car with one passengers on a limit of three roads.</b> However, you would expect to pay for services and tune ups on your car.</p>
<p>And yet MT has this all messed up. You pay for the software, yet are limited in how you use it. You do not pay for the potentionally unnecessary services, as it is included in the price. What were they <i>thinking</i>?</p>
<p>And with the backpedaling and damage control that they have had to do and with numerous issues still yet need to resolve, I get the sense that Six Apart honestly did not know their audience expectations and what is the true use of their software. And though it has been said that they are trying to escape their Ma &#038; Pa image, I cannot help but feel that they are not managing to proceed <i>professionally</i> as one would expect from a business. The whole issue is just really bad business for SixApart and great business for their competitors.</p>
<p>I would like to go ahead and point to three other sources that better outline and expand on what I&#8217;ve said. <a href="http://weblog.burningbird.net/archives/2004/05/13/for-those-about-to-move-to-wordpress-or-textpattern/" rel="nofollow">Burningbird</a>, <a href="http://www.movabletype.org/support/index.php?act=ST&#038;f=11&#038;t=40800&#038;s=2b36683d858fe5234ea9159414409ddc" rel="nofollow">MT Thread 1</a>, <a href="http://www.movabletype.org/support/index.php?act=ST&#038;f=11&#038;t=40795&#038;s=2b36683d858fe5234ea9159414409ddc" rel="nofollow">MT Thread 2</a>. Of course there is a great deal more available&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m currently looking into my other options, because 2.661 is no longer available for download and I do not have a hardcopy to install from. They, in what I consider bad form, no longer provide previous versions available to download on their site. I am currently researching WordPress and ExpressionEngine to see if they address my needs.</p>
<p>This is disheartening for somebody that has used and advocated MovableType for almost 2 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Alanna</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2004/05/movable_type_30_and_community/#comment-18300</link>
		<dc:creator>Alanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2004 01:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t been keeping up lately with all of this -- point of fact, I just learned about the new realease.

Honestly? I really do not mind paying for MT. Point of fact, I had been considering donating several dollars or even purchasing the commercial version of 2.x but was waiting in anticipation for 3.0 before I proceeded.

What angers me? The limitations on the number of authors and weblogs, even if you decided to purchase the software. I not only maintain a &lt;i&gt;multitude&lt;/i&gt; of weblogs, I also create a multitude of weblogs for my friends and family -- and that is just as a personal user. I use MT for fun, not profit. Even the ridiculous $600 Commerical version wouldn&#039;t fit my needs.

You want me to pay for my software? Hey, fine. I&#039;ll do it. I&#039;ve done it plenty of times before. But I&#039;ll demand full featured software first.

It&#039;s definitely time I started looking into other options now. I&#039;ve been hearing good things about Wordpress...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t been keeping up lately with all of this &#8212; point of fact, I just learned about the new realease.</p>
<p>Honestly? I really do not mind paying for MT. Point of fact, I had been considering donating several dollars or even purchasing the commercial version of 2.x but was waiting in anticipation for 3.0 before I proceeded.</p>
<p>What angers me? The limitations on the number of authors and weblogs, even if you decided to purchase the software. I not only maintain a <i>multitude</i> of weblogs, I also create a multitude of weblogs for my friends and family &#8212; and that is just as a personal user. I use MT for fun, not profit. Even the ridiculous $600 Commerical version wouldn&#8217;t fit my needs.</p>
<p>You want me to pay for my software? Hey, fine. I&#8217;ll do it. I&#8217;ve done it plenty of times before. But I&#8217;ll demand full featured software first.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s definitely time I started looking into other options now. I&#8217;ve been hearing good things about WordPress&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: translate</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2004/05/movable_type_30_and_community/#comment-18313</link>
		<dc:creator>translate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2004 07:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;MT 3 - here, there everywhere.&lt;/strong&gt;

MT3.0D runs here. Storm at 6A. Opinions elsewhere and many more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>MT 3 &#8211; here, there everywhere.</strong></p>
<p>MT3.0D runs here. Storm at 6A. Opinions elsewhere and many more.</p>
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		<title>By: translate</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2004/05/movable_type_30_and_community/#comment-18312</link>
		<dc:creator>translate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2004 07:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;MT 3 - here, there everywhere.&lt;/strong&gt;

MT3.0D runs here. Storm at 6A. Opinions elsewhere and many more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>MT 3 &#8211; here, there everywhere.</strong></p>
<p>MT3.0D runs here. Storm at 6A. Opinions elsewhere and many more.</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2004/05/movable_type_30_and_community/#comment-18299</link>
		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2004 00:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;we give a free copy of the release version to all beta testers for their work and effort, as does most every software company I have ever worked for does&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
I wish you&#039;d worked for Macromedia... I beta tested the heck out of Kaiwa (flash communication server for linux) and all I ever got was a &quot;thanks, we&#039;re done, the beta will expire next week.&quot; I have an old FlashCom 1 copy but that only runs on windows... and my server&#039;s running red hat. Ah well.

As for MT, I agree, very bad form re: the beta upgrade bit, they should at the very least provide a script that will allow the MT users to downgrade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;we give a free copy of the release version to all beta testers for their work and effort, as does most every software company I have ever worked for does&#8221;</i><br />
I wish you&#8217;d worked for Macromedia&#8230; I beta tested the heck out of Kaiwa (flash communication server for linux) and all I ever got was a &#8220;thanks, we&#8217;re done, the beta will expire next week.&#8221; I have an old FlashCom 1 copy but that only runs on windows&#8230; and my server&#8217;s running red hat. Ah well.</p>
<p>As for MT, I agree, very bad form re: the beta upgrade bit, they should at the very least provide a script that will allow the MT users to downgrade.</p>
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