Comments on: Avalon/XAML First Look http://www.forevergeek.com/2005/04/avalonxaml_first_look/ Nerds are for Dorks Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:14:48 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: sports http://www.forevergeek.com/2005/04/avalonxaml_first_look/comment-page-1/#comment-13665 sports Fri, 31 Mar 2006 08:33:08 +0000 http://forevergeek.com/?p=1487#comment-13665 <a href="http:///ty2j.com/" rel="nofollow">sports</a> Keyword doesn't matter sports Keyword doesn’t matter

]]> By: Scott Holodak http://www.forevergeek.com/2005/04/avalonxaml_first_look/comment-page-1/#comment-13664 Scott Holodak Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:36:01 +0000 http://forevergeek.com/?p=1487#comment-13664 It seems possible that XAML could be converted to XHTML/CSS/JS using XML stylesheets... I could see MS adding support for this to IIS via an ISAPI extension or to the .NET Framework. I hope MS has learned by now that resisting open standards w/respect to developers is going to hurt them. Look at how many people are leaving behind IE for Firefox. I wonder how many web developers out there are still using IE as their primary development browser... It seems possible that XAML could be converted to XHTML/CSS/JS using XML stylesheets… I could see MS adding support for this to IIS via an ISAPI extension or to the .NET Framework. I hope MS has learned by now that resisting open standards w/respect to developers is going to hurt them. Look at how many people are leaving behind IE for Firefox. I wonder how many web developers out there are still using IE as their primary development browser…

]]> By: Avalon real estate http://www.forevergeek.com/2005/04/avalonxaml_first_look/comment-page-1/#comment-13663 Avalon real estate Thu, 25 Aug 2005 00:18:14 +0000 http://forevergeek.com/?p=1487#comment-13663 Maybe that will be interesting Maybe that will be interesting

]]> By: asqui http://www.forevergeek.com/2005/04/avalonxaml_first_look/comment-page-1/#comment-13662 asqui Mon, 18 Apr 2005 14:13:16 +0000 http://forevergeek.com/?p=1487#comment-13662 <em>"what happens in the corporate world when the IT department begins to create Avalon apps that must be run in the browser (IE)? Do you think someone is going to close IE just to open Firefox over and over again to browse the web? I would like to think so, but I am guessing the answer is no."</em> The intranet sites at work, served up by SAP (I assume), are already IE specific and seldom work in Firefox. Furthermore, corporate policy is that all software must be packaged for the internal software deployment system -- this means that everything is installed in a standard location, everyone's machine is in a predictable state, and you can make sure that things don't interfere with eachother. From the viewpoint of a helpdesk with thousands of machines to support, this makes sense. I don't know how other companies do it. Unfortunately there are no Mozilla or Firefox packages (and if there were, they'd be way out of date). Presumably there's no strong case for deploying and supporting other browsers given that IE is already available. I use Firefox for most browsing, and IE for the intranet, but I don't think regular users would even be able to install Firefox as they wouldn't have Admin privlidges on their local machine. So you see, in the corporate playing field this is already a moot point, in some cases. “what happens in the corporate world when the IT department begins to create Avalon apps that must be run in the browser (IE)? Do you think someone is going to close IE just to open Firefox over and over again to browse the web? I would like to think so, but I am guessing the answer is no.”

The intranet sites at work, served up by SAP (I assume), are already IE specific and seldom work in Firefox.

Furthermore, corporate policy is that all software must be packaged for the internal software deployment system — this means that everything is installed in a standard location, everyone’s machine is in a predictable state, and you can make sure that things don’t interfere with eachother. From the viewpoint of a helpdesk with thousands of machines to support, this makes sense. I don’t know how other companies do it.

Unfortunately there are no Mozilla or Firefox packages (and if there were, they’d be way out of date). Presumably there’s no strong case for deploying and supporting other browsers given that IE is already available.

I use Firefox for most browsing, and IE for the intranet, but I don’t think regular users would even be able to install Firefox as they wouldn’t have Admin privlidges on their local machine.

So you see, in the corporate playing field this is already a moot point, in some cases.

]]> By: minghong http://www.forevergeek.com/2005/04/avalonxaml_first_look/comment-page-1/#comment-13661 minghong Fri, 15 Apr 2005 05:10:23 +0000 http://forevergeek.com/?p=1487#comment-13661 I have to agree with them. XAML is not intended to be used on the fly. There is no "rendering engine" for it (unlike XUL). Unless it is used as an ActiveX object (which we don't use anyway :-P), there is no way to use it on the web. I have to agree with them. XAML is not intended to be used on the fly. There is no “rendering engine” for it (unlike XUL). Unless it is used as an ActiveX object (which we don’t use anyway :-P), there is no way to use it on the web.

]]> By: Ben Askins http://www.forevergeek.com/2005/04/avalonxaml_first_look/comment-page-1/#comment-13660 Ben Askins Fri, 15 Apr 2005 00:59:59 +0000 http://forevergeek.com/?p=1487#comment-13660 The response "XAML isn't for the web" is an argument over semantics. I could say that HTML isn't for the web, it's a markup language for declaratively defining a user interfaces. Of course you can point your web browser to a URL serving up some HTML over the internet and voila, you have a web page. The same goes for XAML, it's a mark up language for declaratively defining a user interface. Of course it's going to be used to serve up UI over the web and is a potential HTML killer. I don't think it will be though. There's seems to be a trend in the industry to embrace open standards... or maybe that's just my wishful thinking. XAML seems to be an evolution of thinking from HTML, through XHTML, a dash of XUL etc. If it is the next logical evolution then I hope it's sucessful, but I hope as well that it is embraced in an open way and Microsoft wise up to the open approach. The response “XAML isn’t for the web” is an argument over semantics. I could say that HTML isn’t for the web, it’s a markup language for declaratively defining a user interfaces. Of course you can point your web browser to a URL serving up some HTML over the internet and voila, you have a web page. The same goes for XAML, it’s a mark up language for declaratively defining a user interface. Of course it’s going to be used to serve up UI over the web and is a potential HTML killer. I don’t think it will be though. There’s seems to be a trend in the industry to embrace open standards… or maybe that’s just my wishful thinking. XAML seems to be an evolution of thinking from HTML, through XHTML, a dash of XUL etc. If it is the next logical evolution then I hope it’s sucessful, but I hope as well that it is embraced in an open way and Microsoft wise up to the open approach.

]]> By: Griffith http://www.forevergeek.com/2005/04/avalonxaml_first_look/comment-page-1/#comment-13659 Griffith Thu, 14 Apr 2005 23:48:37 +0000 http://forevergeek.com/?p=1487#comment-13659 Microsoft's technologies are less and less sought out, and this will probably start as something cute but will later be used to spawn a new order of adds or trojans. If Microsoft doesn't start letting go of their platform dependant applications they will drown eventually. I wouldn't be surprised if in ten years we'd all be using Google OS, Linux and Mac. Even Bill Gates said that he expect the company to break apart in that time-span a few months ago. Microsoft’s technologies are less and less sought out, and this will probably start as something cute but will later be used to spawn a new order of adds or trojans.

If Microsoft doesn’t start letting go of their platform dependant applications they will drown eventually. I wouldn’t be surprised if in ten years we’d all be using Google OS, Linux and Mac. Even Bill Gates said that he expect the company to break apart in that time-span a few months ago.

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