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		<title>By: Dennis L</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2005/05/38_ways_to_win_an_argument/#comment-46250</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2011 06:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, I haven&#039;t be able to get through the whole list without finding suggestion for using straw man arguments to prove your point. Ahh.... here it is

 3.Ignore your opponent’s proposition, which was intended to refer
to some particular thing.
Rather, understand it in some quite different sense,
and then refute it.
Attack something different than what was asserted. 

Really? These are most if not all based on illogical, irrational ways to argue and argue poorly. If you win with these tactics and haven&#039;t proved the validity of your argument what was the point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, I haven&#8217;t be able to get through the whole list without finding suggestion for using straw man arguments to prove your point. Ahh&#8230;. here it is</p>
<p> 3.Ignore your opponent’s proposition, which was intended to refer<br />
to some particular thing.<br />
Rather, understand it in some quite different sense,<br />
and then refute it.<br />
Attack something different than what was asserted. </p>
<p>Really? These are most if not all based on illogical, irrational ways to argue and argue poorly. If you win with these tactics and haven&#8217;t proved the validity of your argument what was the point?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Catalano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Catalano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2011 23:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is so incredibly sad. If these kinds of tactics are what it takes to win an argument, chances are you&#039;re position on whatever the topic may be is not well founded. I guess I&#039;m just a little old fashioned and extremely naive. I would prefer using truth, facts and a genuine respect for the other persons point of view. Guess I won&#039;t be winning any debates anytime soon. Thanks for the post anyway, it was an interesting read.

-Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is so incredibly sad. If these kinds of tactics are what it takes to win an argument, chances are you&#8217;re position on whatever the topic may be is not well founded. I guess I&#8217;m just a little old fashioned and extremely naive. I would prefer using truth, facts and a genuine respect for the other persons point of view. Guess I won&#8217;t be winning any debates anytime soon. Thanks for the post anyway, it was an interesting read.</p>
<p>-Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 23:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You learn quickly my child.</description>
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		<title>By: dare</title>
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		<dc:creator>dare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 18:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i like am gan ni. am very sure this will help me a lot as an arguement prone guy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i like am gan ni. am very sure this will help me a lot as an arguement prone guy</p>
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		<title>By: otter nonsense</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2005/05/38_ways_to_win_an_argument/#comment-41501</link>
		<dc:creator>otter nonsense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 05:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though not attributed here, these are the German philosopher Martin Heidegger&#039;s 38 ways (dirty tricks) to win an argument ... that can only work if the audience, or your opponent is uneducated in rational thinking. They all employ faulty logic that leaves the unaware feeling &quot;had&quot;, but unable to figure out exactly why. 
I&#039;m listing the link to give honest truth-seekers a legitimate way of protecting themselves, and exposing fraud and manipulation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though not attributed here, these are the German philosopher Martin Heidegger&#8217;s 38 ways (dirty tricks) to win an argument &#8230; that can only work if the audience, or your opponent is uneducated in rational thinking. They all employ faulty logic that leaves the unaware feeling &#8220;had&#8221;, but unable to figure out exactly why.<br />
I&#8217;m listing the link to give honest truth-seekers a legitimate way of protecting themselves, and exposing fraud and manipulation. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies</a></p>
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		<title>By: Garth Sundem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garth Sundem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 20:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Charlotte! Viva la satire! And nice post, Scrivs. I don&#039;t mean to be a troll, but I just blogged similar argument satire at my site, exploring in a purely satirical way the use of illogic to brain punk your poor spouse or significant other into capitulation in any argument. You can also check the post out by quickly searching my name at Science20.com or at PsychologyToday.com.

Again, this rocks. Anyone who fails to see the humor...well, piss off.

Cheers,
Garth Sundem</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Charlotte! Viva la satire! And nice post, Scrivs. I don&#8217;t mean to be a troll, but I just blogged similar argument satire at my site, exploring in a purely satirical way the use of illogic to brain punk your poor spouse or significant other into capitulation in any argument. You can also check the post out by quickly searching my name at Science20.com or at PsychologyToday.com.</p>
<p>Again, this rocks. Anyone who fails to see the humor&#8230;well, piss off.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Garth Sundem</p>
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		<title>By: Charlotte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 10:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These comments make me sad. Is satire truly a lost art form?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These comments make me sad. Is satire truly a lost art form?</p>
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		<title>By: Jego</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 21:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To win a argument, simply be a smart-ass and make the other person angry. Once they&#039;re angry, that&#039;s it. You&#039;ve won.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To win a argument, simply be a smart-ass and make the other person angry. Once they&#8217;re angry, that&#8217;s it. You&#8217;ve won.</p>
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		<title>By: Dixie</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 02:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would certainly never say these methods are stupid.  The subject of this article is, after all, WINNING--not honesty--in an argument.  My main problem with them is, it all sounds so exhausting!  I guess I would make a poor debater--I HATE arguments.  I just never walk away from one once it starts.  Probably stupidity on my part!

But I would love to win more arguments, or I wouldn&#039;t be here.  And I don&#039;t win many arguments because I am a naively honest person, and I naively think that other people&#039;s motives are just as honest.  I&#039;m not a devious thinker, nor do I like, or employ, mind games.  As a result, I&#039;m not sure I would be successful using these tactics.  I would probably end up looking like a ham-fisted clod.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would certainly never say these methods are stupid.  The subject of this article is, after all, WINNING&#8211;not honesty&#8211;in an argument.  My main problem with them is, it all sounds so exhausting!  I guess I would make a poor debater&#8211;I HATE arguments.  I just never walk away from one once it starts.  Probably stupidity on my part!</p>
<p>But I would love to win more arguments, or I wouldn&#8217;t be here.  And I don&#8217;t win many arguments because I am a naively honest person, and I naively think that other people&#8217;s motives are just as honest.  I&#8217;m not a devious thinker, nor do I like, or employ, mind games.  As a result, I&#8217;m not sure I would be successful using these tactics.  I would probably end up looking like a ham-fisted clod.</p>
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		<title>By: sexy sarah 90210</title>
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		<dc:creator>sexy sarah 90210</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 20:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what im not saying im stupid but im not saying im smart  but i could not tell head nor tail of this</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what im not saying im stupid but im not saying im smart  but i could not tell head nor tail of this</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 17:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>8====D</description>
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		<title>By: Pemikir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pemikir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 23:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not a method of argument, most of the methods are deceitful.</description>
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		<title>By: Janie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 23:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are so many spelling errors in this article and most of it doesn&#039;t even make sense!  Seriously, who wrote this?  A 10 year old kid??</description>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another way to win an argument is to point out how ridiculous or pointless the topic or theme is. This point would put him in awkardness with him thinking over the situation and allow you have time to counter the topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another way to win an argument is to point out how ridiculous or pointless the topic or theme is. This point would put him in awkardness with him thinking over the situation and allow you have time to counter the topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 06:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The tactics themselves are NOT stupid.

They merely involve you PLAYING dumb.

And yes they involve you creating illogical and fallacious arguments, but for the purpose of &quot;winning&quot; an informal argument they are actually quite devious.

These tactics can actually be devastating against inexperienced arguers and even disrupt intelligent ones. Now they are obviously &#039;dirty tricks&#039; tactics designed to make it seem like you are winning an argument, they are not tactics for forming logically sound proper debates, but the page clearly indicates they are such. These tactics can completely fool less intelligent opponents who are weak on critical thinking. They also can be effective at frustrating and derailing more intelligent opponents. Most of all they keep the argument going and they keep the other person having to respond to cheap and illogical arguments which can suck them into responding with a cheap and illogical rebuttal. Once they do that you can switch back into logical mode and attack that one illogical thing they said for all it&#039;s worth.

In principle I hate the idea of arguing to make your opponent lose and not just arguing to authenticate a true point, however in reality you get in to arguments sometimes and your pride gets to you and the last thing on earth you want to do is concede you are wrong so you will do whatever it takes.

Warning: These techniques will most likely not fly against a person with excellent natural critical thinking, and these will just downright make you look ridiculous in any type of formal debate setting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tactics themselves are NOT stupid.</p>
<p>They merely involve you PLAYING dumb.</p>
<p>And yes they involve you creating illogical and fallacious arguments, but for the purpose of &#8220;winning&#8221; an informal argument they are actually quite devious.</p>
<p>These tactics can actually be devastating against inexperienced arguers and even disrupt intelligent ones. Now they are obviously &#8216;dirty tricks&#8217; tactics designed to make it seem like you are winning an argument, they are not tactics for forming logically sound proper debates, but the page clearly indicates they are such. These tactics can completely fool less intelligent opponents who are weak on critical thinking. They also can be effective at frustrating and derailing more intelligent opponents. Most of all they keep the argument going and they keep the other person having to respond to cheap and illogical arguments which can suck them into responding with a cheap and illogical rebuttal. Once they do that you can switch back into logical mode and attack that one illogical thing they said for all it&#8217;s worth.</p>
<p>In principle I hate the idea of arguing to make your opponent lose and not just arguing to authenticate a true point, however in reality you get in to arguments sometimes and your pride gets to you and the last thing on earth you want to do is concede you are wrong so you will do whatever it takes.</p>
<p>Warning: These techniques will most likely not fly against a person with excellent natural critical thinking, and these will just downright make you look ridiculous in any type of formal debate setting.</p>
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		<title>By: KC</title>
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		<dc:creator>KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 00:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some signs someone is loosing an argument/debate:

1) they start name calling i.e. moron

2) They repeat themselves over and over again regardless of what you say

3) They address only a small part of your argument

4) bring up more questions completely randomly

5) they try and make you look like an idiot

6) avoiding questions

7) try to prove their point by pointing out they have more credibility either through intelligence or experience

8) start using inuendos in their words to suggest their opponent is less than they are or not worth consideration

I know I only list 8 signs but some of these match to multiple items from the article. Anyone one could eassily write an article &quot;Signs To Look For That You are Winning an Argument&quot; and just use his tactics to win as your example that someone is loosing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some signs someone is loosing an argument/debate:</p>
<p>1) they start name calling i.e. moron</p>
<p>2) They repeat themselves over and over again regardless of what you say</p>
<p>3) They address only a small part of your argument</p>
<p>4) bring up more questions completely randomly</p>
<p>5) they try and make you look like an idiot</p>
<p>6) avoiding questions</p>
<p>7) try to prove their point by pointing out they have more credibility either through intelligence or experience</p>
<p>8) start using inuendos in their words to suggest their opponent is less than they are or not worth consideration</p>
<p>I know I only list 8 signs but some of these match to multiple items from the article. Anyone one could eassily write an article &#8220;Signs To Look For That You are Winning an Argument&#8221; and just use his tactics to win as your example that someone is loosing.</p>
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		<title>By: KC</title>
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		<dc:creator>KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 00:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I highly suggest not to use most of these tactics on you spouce or loved-one as there is s high probability you will make things worse. Winning an argument with these tactics in truth is not a win at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I highly suggest not to use most of these tactics on you spouce or loved-one as there is s high probability you will make things worse. Winning an argument with these tactics in truth is not a win at all.</p>
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		<title>By: KC</title>
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		<dc:creator>KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 00:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually your steps are are tactics used by people that loosing a debate/argument when they have no facts or logical counter point to refutee their opponent.
So your title should read &quot;38 Ways to Win an Argument When you Have No Facts or Logical Counter to Prove Your Point&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually your steps are are tactics used by people that loosing a debate/argument when they have no facts or logical counter point to refutee their opponent.<br />
So your title should read &#8220;38 Ways to Win an Argument When you Have No Facts or Logical Counter to Prove Your Point&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Court</title>
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		<dc:creator>Court</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 18:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the dumbest shit i have ever heard! Anyone who actually listens to these ideas is an idiot!</description>
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		<title>By: What?</title>
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		<dc:creator>What?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 03:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did not understand one word! why not break down in simple words!!!</description>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2005/05/38_ways_to_win_an_argument/#comment-22867</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 04:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian: There&#039;s a difference between trying to convince your opponent and trying to convince an audience.</description>
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		<title>By: Brittany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brittany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 03:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi my name is brittany middlebrooks i have i started an argument with my friends friend from maryland she is now trying to argue with me and what should i do? please help!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi my name is brittany middlebrooks i have i started an argument with my friends friend from maryland she is now trying to argue with me and what should i do? please help!</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 23:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you should try readin &quot;How to Argue and Win Everytime&quot; by Gerry Spence (a famed trail attorney)
You have several lethal mistakes which will ruin  you from the beginning here. The &quot;Conceal your conclusion&quot; tip will destroy your cedibility and close the Other to your argument. Be up fron and honest about what you want. NEVER attack your oppenant. Than, it is you who wears the black hat and he who wears the white hat. You need to wear the white hat, you are, after all, right and the good guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you should try readin &#8220;How to Argue and Win Everytime&#8221; by Gerry Spence (a famed trail attorney)<br />
You have several lethal mistakes which will ruin  you from the beginning here. The &#8220;Conceal your conclusion&#8221; tip will destroy your cedibility and close the Other to your argument. Be up fron and honest about what you want. NEVER attack your oppenant. Than, it is you who wears the black hat and he who wears the white hat. You need to wear the white hat, you are, after all, right and the good guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Wallace</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2005/05/38_ways_to_win_an_argument/#comment-22864</link>
		<dc:creator>Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2006 17:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2005/05/38_ways_to_win_an_argument/#comment-22863</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 20:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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