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		<title>By: Jimmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 06:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The tactics themselves are NOT stupid.

They merely involve you PLAYING dumb. 

And yes they involve you creating illogical and fallacious arguments, but for the purpose of &quot;winning&quot; an informal argument they are actually quite devious.

These tactics can actually be devastating against inexperienced arguers and even disrupt intelligent ones. Now they are obviously &#039;dirty tricks&#039; tactics designed to make it seem like you are winning an argument, they are not tactics for forming logically sound proper debates, but the page clearly indicates they are such. These tactics can completely fool less intelligent opponents who are weak on critical thinking. They also can be effective at frustrating and derailing more intelligent opponents. Most of all they keep the argument going and they keep the other person having to respond to cheap and illogical arguments which can suck them into responding with a cheap and illogical rebuttal. Once they do that you can switch back into logical mode and attack that one illogical thing they said for all it&#039;s worth.

In principle I hate the idea of arguing to make your opponent lose and not just arguing to authenticate a true point, however in reality you get in to arguments sometimes and your pride gets to you and the last thing on earth you want to do is concede you are wrong so you will do whatever it takes.

Warning: These techniques will most likely not fly against a person with excellent natural critical thinking, and these will just downright make you look ridiculous in any type of formal debate setting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tactics themselves are NOT stupid.</p>
<p>They merely involve you PLAYING dumb. </p>
<p>And yes they involve you creating illogical and fallacious arguments, but for the purpose of &#8220;winning&#8221; an informal argument they are actually quite devious.</p>
<p>These tactics can actually be devastating against inexperienced arguers and even disrupt intelligent ones. Now they are obviously &#8216;dirty tricks&#8217; tactics designed to make it seem like you are winning an argument, they are not tactics for forming logically sound proper debates, but the page clearly indicates they are such. These tactics can completely fool less intelligent opponents who are weak on critical thinking. They also can be effective at frustrating and derailing more intelligent opponents. Most of all they keep the argument going and they keep the other person having to respond to cheap and illogical arguments which can suck them into responding with a cheap and illogical rebuttal. Once they do that you can switch back into logical mode and attack that one illogical thing they said for all it&#8217;s worth.</p>
<p>In principle I hate the idea of arguing to make your opponent lose and not just arguing to authenticate a true point, however in reality you get in to arguments sometimes and your pride gets to you and the last thing on earth you want to do is concede you are wrong so you will do whatever it takes.</p>
<p>Warning: These techniques will most likely not fly against a person with excellent natural critical thinking, and these will just downright make you look ridiculous in any type of formal debate setting.</p>
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		<title>By: KC</title>
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		<dc:creator>KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 00:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some signs someone is loosing an argument/debate: 

1) they start name calling i.e. moron 

2) They repeat themselves over and over again regardless of what you say 

3) They address only a small part of your argument 

4) bring up more questions completely randomly 

5) they try and make you look like an idiot 

6) avoiding questions 

7) try to prove their point by pointing out they have more credibility either through intelligence or experience 

8) start using inuendos in their words to suggest their opponent is less than they are or not worth consideration

I know I only list 8 signs but some of these match to multiple items from the article. Anyone one could eassily write an article &quot;Signs To Look For That You are Winning an Argument&quot; and just use his tactics to win as your example that someone is loosing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some signs someone is loosing an argument/debate: </p>
<p>1) they start name calling i.e. moron </p>
<p>2) They repeat themselves over and over again regardless of what you say </p>
<p>3) They address only a small part of your argument </p>
<p>4) bring up more questions completely randomly </p>
<p>5) they try and make you look like an idiot </p>
<p>6) avoiding questions </p>
<p>7) try to prove their point by pointing out they have more credibility either through intelligence or experience </p>
<p>8) start using inuendos in their words to suggest their opponent is less than they are or not worth consideration</p>
<p>I know I only list 8 signs but some of these match to multiple items from the article. Anyone one could eassily write an article &#8220;Signs To Look For That You are Winning an Argument&#8221; and just use his tactics to win as your example that someone is loosing.</p>
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		<title>By: KC</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 00:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I highly suggest not to use most of these tactics on you spouce or loved-one as there is s high probability you will make things worse. Winning an argument with these tactics in truth is not a win at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I highly suggest not to use most of these tactics on you spouce or loved-one as there is s high probability you will make things worse. Winning an argument with these tactics in truth is not a win at all.</p>
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		<title>By: KC</title>
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		<dc:creator>KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 00:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually your steps are are tactics used by people that loosing a debate/argument when they have no facts or logical counter point to refutee their opponent. 
So your title should read &quot;38 Ways to Win an Argument When you Have No Facts or Logical Counter to Prove Your Point&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually your steps are are tactics used by people that loosing a debate/argument when they have no facts or logical counter point to refutee their opponent.<br />
So your title should read &#8220;38 Ways to Win an Argument When you Have No Facts or Logical Counter to Prove Your Point&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Court</title>
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		<dc:creator>Court</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 18:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the dumbest shit i have ever heard! Anyone who actually listens to these ideas is an idiot!</description>
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		<title>By: What?</title>
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		<dc:creator>What?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 03:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did not understand one word! why not break down in simple words!!!</description>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 04:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian: There&#039;s a difference between trying to convince your opponent and trying to convince an audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian: There&#8217;s a difference between trying to convince your opponent and trying to convince an audience.</p>
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		<title>By: Brittany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brittany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 03:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi my name is brittany middlebrooks i have i started an argument with my friends friend from maryland she is now trying to argue with me and what should i do? please help!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi my name is brittany middlebrooks i have i started an argument with my friends friend from maryland she is now trying to argue with me and what should i do? please help!</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 23:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you should try readin &quot;How to Argue and Win Everytime&quot; by Gerry Spence (a famed trail attorney)
You have several lethal mistakes which will ruin  you from the beginning here. The &quot;Conceal your conclusion&quot; tip will destroy your cedibility and close the Other to your argument. Be up fron and honest about what you want. NEVER attack your oppenant. Than, it is you who wears the black hat and he who wears the white hat. You need to wear the white hat, you are, after all, right and the good guy.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you should try readin &#8220;How to Argue and Win Everytime&#8221; by Gerry Spence (a famed trail attorney)<br />
You have several lethal mistakes which will ruin  you from the beginning here. The &#8220;Conceal your conclusion&#8221; tip will destroy your cedibility and close the Other to your argument. Be up fron and honest about what you want. NEVER attack your oppenant. Than, it is you who wears the black hat and he who wears the white hat. You need to wear the white hat, you are, after all, right and the good guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Wallace</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2006 17:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Izmnxdzr</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 20:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi! Very nice and beautifull place! Keep it!</description>
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		<title>By: Luciana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luciana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey my cousin is using those tips against me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey my cousin is using those tips against me!</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2005 02:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This can ABSOLUTELY be used by 10-14 year-olds.

I myslef am 16 and the leading proponent for my political party (which one is irrelevant) at my school. If you use these in INFORMAL conversation and banter with other teens, kids, and adults, most will be fooled and/or defeated by the sheer complexity or surface-level correctness of the argument.

Ultimately, though, the only way to guarantee 100% victory in an argument is for you to be skillful and correct, and for your opponent to lack a vital skill that you choose to draw out in the course of the argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This can ABSOLUTELY be used by 10-14 year-olds.</p>
<p>I myslef am 16 and the leading proponent for my political party (which one is irrelevant) at my school. If you use these in INFORMAL conversation and banter with other teens, kids, and adults, most will be fooled and/or defeated by the sheer complexity or surface-level correctness of the argument.</p>
<p>Ultimately, though, the only way to guarantee 100% victory in an argument is for you to be skillful and correct, and for your opponent to lack a vital skill that you choose to draw out in the course of the argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Strife_Clou0</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2005 05:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>can any of those be used by 10-14 year olds?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can any of those be used by 10-14 year olds?</p>
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		<title>By: Kovacks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kovacks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 02:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True, but knowing these would also be useful to defend against those using them. 
And sadly, in message board arguments and American politics, among many others, being right doesn&#039;t work if you don&#039;t have a defense against these techniques.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, but knowing these would also be useful to defend against those using them.<br />
And sadly, in message board arguments and American politics, among many others, being right doesn&#8217;t work if you don&#8217;t have a defense against these techniques.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2005 19:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is more like a list of &quot;dirty tricks used by bad arguers.&quot; Most (but not all) of these techniques are extremely poor logic and are exactly the approaches you should avoid in a real argument. E.g.; #38 is argumentum ad hominem, an informal fallacy that immediately renders your argument unsound.

Sometimes you can &quot;win&quot; an argument with fallacious reasoning and cheap tactics, but you won&#039;t be proving the truth of your proposition. It&#039;s better to win an argument by being right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is more like a list of &#8220;dirty tricks used by bad arguers.&#8221; Most (but not all) of these techniques are extremely poor logic and are exactly the approaches you should avoid in a real argument. E.g.; #38 is argumentum ad hominem, an informal fallacy that immediately renders your argument unsound.</p>
<p>Sometimes you can &#8220;win&#8221; an argument with fallacious reasoning and cheap tactics, but you won&#8217;t be proving the truth of your proposition. It&#8217;s better to win an argument by being right.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2005 13:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the many places the original of this can be found: http://coolhaus.de/art-of-controversy/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the many places the original of this can be found: <a href="http://coolhaus.de/art-of-controversy/" rel="nofollow">http://coolhaus.de/art-of-controversy/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Blitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2005 14:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i use most of these points all the time but so does my cousin which means our arguments last for years until new evedince comes up on the side of either opponent</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i use most of these points all the time but so does my cousin which means our arguments last for years until new evedince comes up on the side of either opponent</p>
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		<title>By: Tonton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tonton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2005 11:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>original version:

L&#039;art de toujours avoir raison
(The art of always being right)
Arthur Schopenhauer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>original version:</p>
<p>L&#8217;art de toujours avoir raison<br />
(The art of always being right)<br />
Arthur Schopenhauer</p>
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		<title>By: Matt H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2005 18:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*gunshot*

what about mecanic&#039;s</description>
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<p>what about mecanic&#8217;s</p>
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		<title>By: sebby</title>
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		<dc:creator>sebby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2005 17:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the ads that I had was &quot;Ask a Mechanic&quot;. What does that mean? Do Mechanic&#039;s have all the answers, or do they just argue well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the ads that I had was &#8220;Ask a Mechanic&#8221;. What does that mean? Do Mechanic&#8217;s have all the answers, or do they just argue well?</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2005 17:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder what it means that all the ads showing up are for learning more about judiasm and christianity...</description>
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		<title>By: Scrivs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scrivs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2005 17:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It just means you shouldn&#039;t try it with me because I have two posters printed out now.</description>
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		<title>By: Griffith</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2005 16:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does this mean I should feel bad about printing them also?</description>
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