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		<title>By: ProAm500</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/04/digg_corrupted_editors_playground_not_userdriven_website/comment-page-3/#comment-27095</link>
		<dc:creator>ProAm500</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I made this comment in other places, so some of you may have seen this before.......

Heres the problem I have, and I&#039;m not a regular user on this site, just to point out....I&#039;ve been going to digg for about a year now. In concept, its great, the pure idea that users control the content is wonderful in theory. Whats even better  for me is that its a reference tool. I can do a search for something on digg and find all kinds of articles. But you have to now question the credibilty of those who run the site and the users. Whos to say that a new company with a new product cant approach a popular user (for example AlbertPacino) and say to themselves &quot;Wow this guy is really popular on this site, and everything he submits goes to the frontpage. I think we can use this guy to get some quick cheap pup about our product.&quot; I mean they can slip $1000 bucks to a popular user or owner to get stories about their product to the front page. I mean it seems far-fetched, but when you think about, its not far-fetched at all. Thats the problem I have. There&#039;s gonna come a time when Kevin Rose and the other people who run and own the site, have interests they have to keep up. Perhaps thats going on now, but if and when it happens, you really have to question the intergrity of the site as a whole.....
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I made this comment in other places, so some of you may have seen this before&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Heres the problem I have, and I&#8217;m not a regular user on this site, just to point out&#8230;.I&#8217;ve been going to digg for about a year now. In concept, its great, the pure idea that users control the content is wonderful in theory. Whats even better  for me is that its a reference tool. I can do a search for something on digg and find all kinds of articles. But you have to now question the credibilty of those who run the site and the users. Whos to say that a new company with a new product cant approach a popular user (for example AlbertPacino) and say to themselves &#8220;Wow this guy is really popular on this site, and everything he submits goes to the frontpage. I think we can use this guy to get some quick cheap pup about our product.&#8221; I mean they can slip $1000 bucks to a popular user or owner to get stories about their product to the front page. I mean it seems far-fetched, but when you think about, its not far-fetched at all. Thats the problem I have. There&#8217;s gonna come a time when Kevin Rose and the other people who run and own the site, have interests they have to keep up. Perhaps thats going on now, but if and when it happens, you really have to question the intergrity of the site as a whole&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: ProAm500</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/04/digg_corrupted_editors_playground_not_userdriven_website/comment-page-3/#comment-27094</link>
		<dc:creator>ProAm500</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IF you search digg and comapre todays search for the term &quot;digg&quot; to yesterdays at about the same time, EVERY story that was critical of digg has been totally removed from the site.....what exactly is going on here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IF you search digg and comapre todays search for the term &#8220;digg&#8221; to yesterdays at about the same time, EVERY story that was critical of digg has been totally removed from the site&#8230;..what exactly is going on here?</p>
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		<title>By: darkmoon</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/04/digg_corrupted_editors_playground_not_userdriven_website/comment-page-3/#comment-27093</link>
		<dc:creator>darkmoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to approach this from another facet after reading the comments on Digg itself on the post I had on front page on this matter and got it pulled.  I&#039;m wondering that if it gets too many &quot;lame&quot; reports, then the story is unsearchable.   I can definitely say there is a lot of Digg-lovers out there that didn&#039;t want to hear it and automatically clicked that without even reading what I had to say.  Wondering if that also had to do with the burying.   Doesn&#039;t resolve Kevin from being &quot;involved&quot; with the fraud type people, but it&#039;s a start at least for resolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to approach this from another facet after reading the comments on Digg itself on the post I had on front page on this matter and got it pulled.  I&#8217;m wondering that if it gets too many &#8220;lame&#8221; reports, then the story is unsearchable.   I can definitely say there is a lot of Digg-lovers out there that didn&#8217;t want to hear it and automatically clicked that without even reading what I had to say.  Wondering if that also had to do with the burying.   Doesn&#8217;t resolve Kevin from being &#8220;involved&#8221; with the fraud type people, but it&#8217;s a start at least for resolution.</p>
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		<title>By: babywriter</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/04/digg_corrupted_editors_playground_not_userdriven_website/comment-page-3/#comment-27092</link>
		<dc:creator>babywriter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s been interesting, as I have watched this unfold on Digg, is how the following story has been progressively shielded from those who might want to access it: 

http://digg.com/technology/Digg_Corrupted

As of this morning, the story cannot be found via digg&#039;s site search IN ANY WAY - not even by enabling the &quot;include buried stories&quot; checkbox. 

Prior to that, the story had been buried for the better part of the day, and not allowed to move to the homepage - even though it attracted more than 400 diggs in less than four hours, and now sits at 1275 (with almost 300 comments). 

I&#039;m willing to believe that the story was buried due to people complaining about it. Heck, I&#039;m even willing to believe that other, similar stories were buried in the same way (although it would be nice to know what the ratio of complaints to diggs would be to trigger that process).

But I find it very hard to believe that an algorithm could have removed the story COMPLETELY from the site&#039;s search function - essentially, making it invisible. That, I would think, requires a human hand - and digg has made its reputation on the fact that they DON&#039;T do that.

So I&#039;m changing the channel. Digg is permanently off my list - which is sad, because I usually check it several times a day. I&#039;ll find other places for my tech fix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s been interesting, as I have watched this unfold on Digg, is how the following story has been progressively shielded from those who might want to access it: </p>
<p><a href="http://digg.com/technology/Digg_Corrupted" rel="nofollow">http://digg.com/technology/Digg_Corrupted</a></p>
<p>As of this morning, the story cannot be found via digg&#8217;s site search IN ANY WAY &#8211; not even by enabling the &#8220;include buried stories&#8221; checkbox. </p>
<p>Prior to that, the story had been buried for the better part of the day, and not allowed to move to the homepage &#8211; even though it attracted more than 400 diggs in less than four hours, and now sits at 1275 (with almost 300 comments). </p>
<p>I&#8217;m willing to believe that the story was buried due to people complaining about it. Heck, I&#8217;m even willing to believe that other, similar stories were buried in the same way (although it would be nice to know what the ratio of complaints to diggs would be to trigger that process).</p>
<p>But I find it very hard to believe that an algorithm could have removed the story COMPLETELY from the site&#8217;s search function &#8211; essentially, making it invisible. That, I would think, requires a human hand &#8211; and digg has made its reputation on the fact that they DON&#8217;T do that.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;m changing the channel. Digg is permanently off my list &#8211; which is sad, because I usually check it several times a day. I&#8217;ll find other places for my tech fix.</p>
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		<title>By: Monsolo</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/04/digg_corrupted_editors_playground_not_userdriven_website/comment-page-3/#comment-27091</link>
		<dc:creator>Monsolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, no big deal.  Digg is a news aggregator anyway.  If you think its not newsworthy, move on.

At the very least, Digg has pointed me to some very interesting articles.

More of my opinions are at http://www.technopinoy.com/?p=95.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, no big deal.  Digg is a news aggregator anyway.  If you think its not newsworthy, move on.</p>
<p>At the very least, Digg has pointed me to some very interesting articles.</p>
<p>More of my opinions are at <a href="http://www.technopinoy.com/?p=95." rel="nofollow">http://www.technopinoy.com/?p=95.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Soloman</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/04/digg_corrupted_editors_playground_not_userdriven_website/comment-page-3/#comment-27090</link>
		<dc:creator>Soloman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, superb post and very detailed explanation. I think I will have to remove all my digg extensions from firefox!</description>
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		<title>By: Dean</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/04/digg_corrupted_editors_playground_not_userdriven_website/comment-page-3/#comment-27089</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see that Digg has removed the ability to &quot;bury&quot; a post. Interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that Digg has removed the ability to &#8220;bury&#8221; a post. Interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Serg</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/04/digg_corrupted_editors_playground_not_userdriven_website/comment-page-3/#comment-27088</link>
		<dc:creator>Serg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monsolo, Digg is seen as the poster child of &#039;web 2.0&#039;. It claims to be free of editorial aspects (of which it has raged about). And yet it was found out that it was doing the exact opposite.

So attention whoring? Sure if you want to call it that. Or simply a website that is just leading on its (big audience).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monsolo, Digg is seen as the poster child of &#8216;web 2.0&#8242;. It claims to be free of editorial aspects (of which it has raged about). And yet it was found out that it was doing the exact opposite.</p>
<p>So attention whoring? Sure if you want to call it that. Or simply a website that is just leading on its (big audience).</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/04/digg_corrupted_editors_playground_not_userdriven_website/comment-page-3/#comment-27087</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry..but who really cares about all of this? Some people have nothing to do with their free time..heh. It&#039;s just an internet site.. I read them all -- even the abysmal shoutwire. (although reddit is my fave.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry..but who really cares about all of this? Some people have nothing to do with their free time..heh. It&#8217;s just an internet site.. I read them all &#8212; even the abysmal shoutwire. (although reddit is my fave.)</p>
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		<title>By: Monsolo</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/04/digg_corrupted_editors_playground_not_userdriven_website/comment-page-3/#comment-27086</link>
		<dc:creator>Monsolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Serg,
Hey, if u believe Macgyver&#039;s claims, it makes u just as gullible.

My thinking: I really don&#039;t care if Digg manipulates a story to appear on the front page. If it&#039;s newsworthy then Digg did a good job in promoting it. I have it in my RSS feed anyway so i can easily skim through it. Just because a news item is in the front page does not make it any more credible.

And at the end of the day, both macgyver and digg will get what they want. Digg will improve their systems to address macgyver&#039;s concerns. In return, macgyver gets his 15 minutes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Serg,<br />
Hey, if u believe Macgyver&#8217;s claims, it makes u just as gullible.</p>
<p>My thinking: I really don&#8217;t care if Digg manipulates a story to appear on the front page. If it&#8217;s newsworthy then Digg did a good job in promoting it. I have it in my RSS feed anyway so i can easily skim through it. Just because a news item is in the front page does not make it any more credible.</p>
<p>And at the end of the day, both macgyver and digg will get what they want. Digg will improve their systems to address macgyver&#8217;s concerns. In return, macgyver gets his 15 minutes.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Rose</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/04/digg_corrupted_editors_playground_not_userdriven_website/comment-page-3/#comment-27085</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes it is.

&quot;I&#039;ll be back!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes it is.</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;ll be back!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/04/digg_corrupted_editors_playground_not_userdriven_website/comment-page-3/#comment-27084</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good article. Well done. I&#039;m through with Digg! Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good article. Well done. I&#8217;m through with Digg! Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Serg</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/04/digg_corrupted_editors_playground_not_userdriven_website/comment-page-3/#comment-27083</link>
		<dc:creator>Serg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 06:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow Robot2006 - so now you are thinking that this is a conspiracy to out Kevin? 

Talk about being an apologist :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow Robot2006 &#8211; so now you are thinking that this is a conspiracy to out Kevin? </p>
<p>Talk about being an apologist :)</p>
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		<title>By: Robot2006</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/04/digg_corrupted_editors_playground_not_userdriven_website/comment-page-3/#comment-27082</link>
		<dc:creator>Robot2006</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 06:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool, now we know how to frame Alex and Kevin for something they didn&#039;t do....

Here is how to do it:

Send 18 automated diggs from fake users to a story Kevin or Alex might digg. Then you wait for one of them to digg the targeted story. When you see that they dugg the story, quickly send another sequence or fake diggs, always in the same order.

If you can do that twice, you now have some falsified &quot;proof&quot; that enables you to use the minds of gullible digg-haters or banned members to create a media backlash, as it happens right now...

If that whole &quot;sandwich Kevin Rose between two diggs twice&quot; process is automated, it can be tried many times over a long period of time, until you are lucky enough to catch him twice on two different stories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool, now we know how to frame Alex and Kevin for something they didn&#8217;t do&#8230;.</p>
<p>Here is how to do it:</p>
<p>Send 18 automated diggs from fake users to a story Kevin or Alex might digg. Then you wait for one of them to digg the targeted story. When you see that they dugg the story, quickly send another sequence or fake diggs, always in the same order.</p>
<p>If you can do that twice, you now have some falsified &#8220;proof&#8221; that enables you to use the minds of gullible digg-haters or banned members to create a media backlash, as it happens right now&#8230;</p>
<p>If that whole &#8220;sandwich Kevin Rose between two diggs twice&#8221; process is automated, it can be tried many times over a long period of time, until you are lucky enough to catch him twice on two different stories.</p>
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		<title>By: matthew</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/04/digg_corrupted_editors_playground_not_userdriven_website/comment-page-3/#comment-27081</link>
		<dc:creator>matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 05:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does this seem a bit like members of the mafia going to jail, but not the godfather to anyone else?  Heh, not like the fake accounts wont be recreated with different names very soon, if not already, we just wont know for a few months... or it will be done smarter with new dummy accounts every so often.  Hopefully when it&#039;s done again, it will be caught again... I don&#039;t think digg will survive another of these.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does this seem a bit like members of the mafia going to jail, but not the godfather to anyone else?  Heh, not like the fake accounts wont be recreated with different names very soon, if not already, we just wont know for a few months&#8230; or it will be done smarter with new dummy accounts every so often.  Hopefully when it&#8217;s done again, it will be caught again&#8230; I don&#8217;t think digg will survive another of these.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/04/digg_corrupted_editors_playground_not_userdriven_website/comment-page-3/#comment-27080</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 05:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Monsolo -- attention whoring plain and simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Monsolo &#8212; attention whoring plain and simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Serg</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/04/digg_corrupted_editors_playground_not_userdriven_website/comment-page-3/#comment-27079</link>
		<dc:creator>Serg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 03:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Monsolo - except that he claimed it was automated and he banned them. At the same time, somehow he was in the middle of the &#039;spammers&#039; (for both articles).

Don&#039;t be so gullible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Monsolo &#8211; except that he claimed it was automated and he banned them. At the same time, somehow he was in the middle of the &#8217;spammers&#8217; (for both articles).</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be so gullible.</p>
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		<title>By: tracydanger</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/04/digg_corrupted_editors_playground_not_userdriven_website/comment-page-3/#comment-27078</link>
		<dc:creator>tracydanger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 03:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have a problem with most of these comments, it seems like fair criticism. I dawned on me, though, that this whole phenomenon is a natural occurrence of digg becoming so incredibly popular. It is guaranteed that when a person or thing becomes more and more popular, there will naturally become more scrutiny (just look at Michael Jackson).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have a problem with most of these comments, it seems like fair criticism. I dawned on me, though, that this whole phenomenon is a natural occurrence of digg becoming so incredibly popular. It is guaranteed that when a person or thing becomes more and more popular, there will naturally become more scrutiny (just look at Michael Jackson).</p>
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		<title>By: Monsolo</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/04/digg_corrupted_editors_playground_not_userdriven_website/comment-page-3/#comment-27077</link>
		<dc:creator>Monsolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 03:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets be realistic.  If Kevin Rose asked 16 people/friends/employees to digg a story, what&#039;s wrong with that? Manipulation? If u want a story to reach front page status, wouldn&#039;t you ask your friends and employees to digg it?

If you don&#039;t like a story, then don&#039;t digg it.  Write a scathing comment. And be done with it.

Personally I think this is attention  whoring, using conspiracy theories as the hook</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets be realistic.  If Kevin Rose asked 16 people/friends/employees to digg a story, what&#8217;s wrong with that? Manipulation? If u want a story to reach front page status, wouldn&#8217;t you ask your friends and employees to digg it?</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t like a story, then don&#8217;t digg it.  Write a scathing comment. And be done with it.</p>
<p>Personally I think this is attention  whoring, using conspiracy theories as the hook</p>
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		<title>By: darkmoon</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/04/digg_corrupted_editors_playground_not_userdriven_website/comment-page-3/#comment-27076</link>
		<dc:creator>darkmoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 03:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what.  I just had a crazy stupid idea.   I was reading the comments and when you say &quot;anything bad&quot; on digg, the digg fanboys/fangirls get all pissy.  I mean seriously.  They don&#039;t even read the article.

I&#039;m wondering if they mark your digg post lame.  So far, everything seems to be like that.  I can still find the digg on mine, but search doesn&#039;t even show it.

Perhaps stupidity begets stupidity.  That must be it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what.  I just had a crazy stupid idea.   I was reading the comments and when you say &#8220;anything bad&#8221; on digg, the digg fanboys/fangirls get all pissy.  I mean seriously.  They don&#8217;t even read the article.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m wondering if they mark your digg post lame.  So far, everything seems to be like that.  I can still find the digg on mine, but search doesn&#8217;t even show it.</p>
<p>Perhaps stupidity begets stupidity.  That must be it.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/04/digg_corrupted_editors_playground_not_userdriven_website/comment-page-3/#comment-27075</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 02:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just checked the news today. Woa this is a major blow to digg. I&#039;m pretty upset and can&#039;t wait to see Digg&#039;s official response. (something tells me they will play good guy, which we all know they are not anymore).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just checked the news today. Woa this is a major blow to digg. I&#8217;m pretty upset and can&#8217;t wait to see Digg&#8217;s official response. (something tells me they will play good guy, which we all know they are not anymore).</p>
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		<title>By: Darian</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/04/digg_corrupted_editors_playground_not_userdriven_website/comment-page-3/#comment-27074</link>
		<dc:creator>Darian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 02:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>addendum: as anyone with a background of empirical statistics knows, a repeated or repeatable pattern only shows that there is SOME underlying mechanism at work. automated digging is just a guess, it might be some other explanation like the email-stuff oder something nobody thought about up to know. still doesn&#039;t help with the bad way digg reacts...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>addendum: as anyone with a background of empirical statistics knows, a repeated or repeatable pattern only shows that there is SOME underlying mechanism at work. automated digging is just a guess, it might be some other explanation like the email-stuff oder something nobody thought about up to know. still doesn&#8217;t help with the bad way digg reacts&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/04/digg_corrupted_editors_playground_not_userdriven_website/comment-page-3/#comment-27073</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 02:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My reply: http://forevergeek.com/news/responding_to_kevins_nonresponse_post.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My reply: <a href="http://forevergeek.com/news/responding_to_kevins_nonresponse_post.php" rel="nofollow">http://forevergeek.com/news/responding_to_kevins_nonresponse_post.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Darian</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/04/digg_corrupted_editors_playground_not_userdriven_website/comment-page-3/#comment-27072</link>
		<dc:creator>Darian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 02:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still think Greg&#039;s comment #56 has a good point. Maybe it&#039;s really only due to 2 emails reaching the diggers in the same order - naturally...

So, as this could be an explanation, the REAL question remains: Why did digg ban any story covering that, instead of investigate it openly?

Maybe the original two-articles thing wasn&#039;t even anything fishy. But the fishy way digg reacted to it is what really reveals a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still think Greg&#8217;s comment #56 has a good point. Maybe it&#8217;s really only due to 2 emails reaching the diggers in the same order &#8211; naturally&#8230;</p>
<p>So, as this could be an explanation, the REAL question remains: Why did digg ban any story covering that, instead of investigate it openly?</p>
<p>Maybe the original two-articles thing wasn&#8217;t even anything fishy. But the fishy way digg reacted to it is what really reveals a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Javier Morales</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/04/digg_corrupted_editors_playground_not_userdriven_website/comment-page-3/#comment-27071</link>
		<dc:creator>Javier Morales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve only started to use digg but I noticed a few things.... positive stories about digg come through pretty regularly. That seems a bit contrived to me. Periodically posts make it to the home page that look more like adverts than actual posts. &quot;Top 10 AdSense tools&quot; I&#039;m thinking of you.... and stories &quot;debunking&quot; global warning always seem to push right to the front page.... which seems a bit odd given that if anyone this crowd ought to look at the facts a little closer... then this story came out and I found others along the same line. time to do a little bookmark cleanup. goodbye digg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve only started to use digg but I noticed a few things&#8230;. positive stories about digg come through pretty regularly. That seems a bit contrived to me. Periodically posts make it to the home page that look more like adverts than actual posts. &#8220;Top 10 AdSense tools&#8221; I&#8217;m thinking of you&#8230;. and stories &#8220;debunking&#8221; global warning always seem to push right to the front page&#8230;. which seems a bit odd given that if anyone this crowd ought to look at the facts a little closer&#8230; then this story came out and I found others along the same line. time to do a little bookmark cleanup. goodbye digg.</p>
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		<title>By: ralph</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/04/digg_corrupted_editors_playground_not_userdriven_website/comment-page-3/#comment-27070</link>
		<dc:creator>ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>when someone with integrity gets busted in their job and publicly humiliated, the respectable thing to do is sign your resignation and move on to new things.  whether you like it or not, it&#039;s best for you and for the people staying with the company.

kevin: digg&#039;s a cool site.  don&#039;t drag it down with you.  do the right thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when someone with integrity gets busted in their job and publicly humiliated, the respectable thing to do is sign your resignation and move on to new things.  whether you like it or not, it&#8217;s best for you and for the people staying with the company.</p>
<p>kevin: digg&#8217;s a cool site.  don&#8217;t drag it down with you.  do the right thing.</p>
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		<title>By: darkmoon</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/04/digg_corrupted_editors_playground_not_userdriven_website/comment-page-3/#comment-27069</link>
		<dc:creator>darkmoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 00:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone named eybear got my post 290+ diggs and front page until the KR fanboys/girls removed it. hah.  Amusing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone named eybear got my post 290+ diggs and front page until the KR fanboys/girls removed it. hah.  Amusing.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/04/digg_corrupted_editors_playground_not_userdriven_website/comment-page-3/#comment-27068</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 23:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;
The banning of forevergeek.com: Aside from the dozens of user reports, several accounts were created to artificially inflate the digg count of their stories. When a single URL hits a threshold of reports, our standard procedure is to block that URL from submission (spam control). Again, mass fraud digging is in violation of our terms of service.&quot;

Why should we trust Kevin more than ForeverGeek? Kevin is the one that&#039;s deleting articles on his supposed user-run website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221;<br />
The banning of forevergeek.com: Aside from the dozens of user reports, several accounts were created to artificially inflate the digg count of their stories. When a single URL hits a threshold of reports, our standard procedure is to block that URL from submission (spam control). Again, mass fraud digging is in violation of our terms of service.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why should we trust Kevin more than ForeverGeek? Kevin is the one that&#8217;s deleting articles on his supposed user-run website.</p>
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		<title>By: SEARCH ENGINES WEB</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/04/digg_corrupted_editors_playground_not_userdriven_website/comment-page-3/#comment-27067</link>
		<dc:creator>SEARCH ENGINES WEB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 23:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is possible that it could be a scripting error .... It does not appear likely that the same people would Digg the exact same story, in the same order.

On another point,
there have been several instances of submitted sites that disappeared after 30+ Diggs, only to come up/submitted later by another user and make the homepage

But all in all - even without any friends - there have been MANY  submissions that have went to the homepage

http://digg.com/users/SearchEngines/homepage</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is possible that it could be a scripting error &#8230;. It does not appear likely that the same people would Digg the exact same story, in the same order.</p>
<p>On another point,<br />
there have been several instances of submitted sites that disappeared after 30+ Diggs, only to come up/submitted later by another user and make the homepage</p>
<p>But all in all &#8211; even without any friends &#8211; there have been MANY  submissions that have went to the homepage</p>
<p><a href="http://digg.com/users/SearchEngines/homepage" rel="nofollow">http://digg.com/users/SearchEngines/homepage</a></p>
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		<title>By: urbansurvivor</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/04/digg_corrupted_editors_playground_not_userdriven_website/comment-page-3/#comment-27066</link>
		<dc:creator>urbansurvivor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspected something was up.  Here&#039;s my experience:

I posted my first digg deal on March 20, just a one liner about a company who provided a free service entitled &quot;Influence the Blogosphere&quot;, find out how you are linked, etc.  For a novice like me, it is a useful tool.  That was a little after 9am.

By noon-ish I had been smacked in the face as a digg spammer for posting a free tool on a &quot;consultant&#039;s site&quot; by one &quot;thepackrat&quot;.  So I replied to his comment and so forth then reposted his/mine on my blog as a matter of record.  

The whole thing left a slightly sour taste in my mouth but no matter, I still dugg occasionally.  Deep down I suspected this packrat-guy of shilling or working for digg.  I shrugged it off as a purist&#039;s zeal.

Today a month later, I posted another blurb to digg.  Then I run across this article.  So I go to look up my spam-smack for reference and nothing past a piece of mal-formed code FROM digg shows on my page.  Not my profile, not my other feeds, no other posts, Hmmmmmmmmm........

Whatever is going on at that site, it is not what it appears to be. Something kinda FISHY.  I&#039;ll be linking to this article, Natch.
Thanks for the research and time it took to mess around with the digging issues.

...urbansurvivor
http://urbansurvivor.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspected something was up.  Here&#8217;s my experience:</p>
<p>I posted my first digg deal on March 20, just a one liner about a company who provided a free service entitled &#8220;Influence the Blogosphere&#8221;, find out how you are linked, etc.  For a novice like me, it is a useful tool.  That was a little after 9am.</p>
<p>By noon-ish I had been smacked in the face as a digg spammer for posting a free tool on a &#8220;consultant&#8217;s site&#8221; by one &#8220;thepackrat&#8221;.  So I replied to his comment and so forth then reposted his/mine on my blog as a matter of record.  </p>
<p>The whole thing left a slightly sour taste in my mouth but no matter, I still dugg occasionally.  Deep down I suspected this packrat-guy of shilling or working for digg.  I shrugged it off as a purist&#8217;s zeal.</p>
<p>Today a month later, I posted another blurb to digg.  Then I run across this article.  So I go to look up my spam-smack for reference and nothing past a piece of mal-formed code FROM digg shows on my page.  Not my profile, not my other feeds, no other posts, Hmmmmmmmmm&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>Whatever is going on at that site, it is not what it appears to be. Something kinda FISHY.  I&#8217;ll be linking to this article, Natch.<br />
Thanks for the research and time it took to mess around with the digging issues.</p>
<p>&#8230;urbansurvivor<br />
<a href="http://urbansurvivor.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://urbansurvivor.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andreas Climent</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/04/digg_corrupted_editors_playground_not_userdriven_website/comment-page-3/#comment-27065</link>
		<dc:creator>Andreas Climent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad to see that Kevin has responded to this, but it still doesn&#039;t explain how the stories where dugg by the same users (including Kevin Rose), in the same order.

If it was done by a script, why is Kevin Rose&#039;s account part of that script?

I don&#039;t mind if these persons digg stories they like, but if stories are dugg automatically simply because they where posted by certain individuals, then that would essentially be cheating the system and destroying the value of democratic promotion of interesting stories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad to see that Kevin has responded to this, but it still doesn&#8217;t explain how the stories where dugg by the same users (including Kevin Rose), in the same order.</p>
<p>If it was done by a script, why is Kevin Rose&#8217;s account part of that script?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mind if these persons digg stories they like, but if stories are dugg automatically simply because they where posted by certain individuals, then that would essentially be cheating the system and destroying the value of democratic promotion of interesting stories.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/04/digg_corrupted_editors_playground_not_userdriven_website/comment-page-3/#comment-27064</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@mariachi:

away, hopefully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mariachi:</p>
<p>away, hopefully.</p>
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		<title>By: Trent Lapinski</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/04/digg_corrupted_editors_playground_not_userdriven_website/comment-page-3/#comment-27063</link>
		<dc:creator>Trent Lapinski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been censored by Digg: http://www.trentl.com/index.php?name=News&amp;file=article&amp;sid=76</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been censored by Digg: <a href="http://www.trentl.com/index.php?name=News&#038;file=article&#038;sid=76" rel="nofollow">http://www.trentl.com/index.php?name=News&#038;file=article&#038;sid=76</a></p>
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		<title>By: mariachi</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/04/digg_corrupted_editors_playground_not_userdriven_website/comment-page-3/#comment-27062</link>
		<dc:creator>mariachi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so where are we all going to go now?</description>
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		<title>By: darkmoon</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/04/digg_corrupted_editors_playground_not_userdriven_website/comment-page-3/#comment-27061</link>
		<dc:creator>darkmoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it interesting that most of the users in that list of 16 were deleted due to &quot;fraud&quot;.   If that&#039;s the case, then the chance argument falls right out the window.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting that most of the users in that list of 16 were deleted due to &#8220;fraud&#8221;.   If that&#8217;s the case, then the chance argument falls right out the window.</p>
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