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		<title>By: alooper21</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/05/the_truth_about_wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-42943</link>
		<dc:creator>alooper21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 02:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dude, you&#039;re not even the first. not the first to speak against the rightness of wikipedia, or to speak against the rightness of any other big something. if you do that often, like rising your &quot;personal opinions&quot; against the sharks of the day maybe you should talk to a psychologist (make a difference, please: i didn&#039;t said psychiatrist, so don&#039;t flame on me, ok?).

wikipedia is founded, edited and sustained by humans, therefore it has cracks and holes there and there. as long as it is free and full of valuable information, please take your guns anywhere else. apeak against microsoft, or apple, for example.

have a nice day :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dude, you&#8217;re not even the first. not the first to speak against the rightness of wikipedia, or to speak against the rightness of any other big something. if you do that often, like rising your &#8220;personal opinions&#8221; against the sharks of the day maybe you should talk to a psychologist (make a difference, please: i didn&#8217;t said psychiatrist, so don&#8217;t flame on me, ok?).</p>
<p>wikipedia is founded, edited and sustained by humans, therefore it has cracks and holes there and there. as long as it is free and full of valuable information, please take your guns anywhere else. apeak against microsoft, or apple, for example.</p>
<p>have a nice day :)</p>
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		<title>By: Earl</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/05/the_truth_about_wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-27705</link>
		<dc:creator>Earl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 12:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we dont got no edu,cation
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we dont got no edu,cation</p>
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		<title>By: iki ki pootang</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/05/the_truth_about_wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-27704</link>
		<dc:creator>iki ki pootang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fokin queers wikipedia blows my mind!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fokin queers wikipedia blows my mind!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Nick17</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/05/the_truth_about_wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-27703</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick17</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 19:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if some of the information wikipedia is putting out there is questionable it is still a great site.  It has vast amounts of information that none of you could comprehend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if some of the information wikipedia is putting out there is questionable it is still a great site.  It has vast amounts of information that none of you could comprehend.</p>
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		<title>By: Wolf</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/05/the_truth_about_wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-27702</link>
		<dc:creator>Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 14:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get a hold of your self Angelo.</description>
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		<title>By: jangelo</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/05/the_truth_about_wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-27701</link>
		<dc:creator>jangelo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 May 2006 17:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got your point about semi-protection, Dan. Still, from the same &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Semi-protection_policy&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wikipedia semi-protection policy&lt;/a&gt;,

&lt;blockquote&gt;Semi-protection should normally not be used as a purely pre-emptive measure against the threat or probability of vandalism before any such vandalism occurs, such as when certain pages suddenly become high profile due to current events or being linked from a high-traffic website.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got your point about semi-protection, Dan. Still, from the same <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Semi-protection_policy" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia semi-protection policy</a>,</p>
<blockquote><p>Semi-protection should normally not be used as a purely pre-emptive measure against the threat or probability of vandalism before any such vandalism occurs, such as when certain pages suddenly become high profile due to current events or being linked from a high-traffic website.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Dan Ridley</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/05/the_truth_about_wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-27700</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Ridley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 May 2006 17:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;@Ian, the owner just emailed his entire team saying why don&#039;t we just lock all the important articles for the meantime, for simplicity&#039;s sake? or something to that effect.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Do you know what semi-protection is? It means you must have an account to edit, and the account can&#039;t have been created in the last 96 hours. It prevents drive-by vandalism, not serious collaboration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>@Ian, the owner just emailed his entire team saying why don&#8217;t we just lock all the important articles for the meantime, for simplicity&#8217;s sake? or something to that effect.</p></blockquote>
<p>Do you know what semi-protection is? It means you must have an account to edit, and the account can&#8217;t have been created in the last 96 hours. It prevents drive-by vandalism, not serious collaboration.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Ridley</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/05/the_truth_about_wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-27699</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Ridley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 May 2006 17:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, if I had actual *new* information to add to the George W. Bush page, and I could cite a reputable source, and I added it to the talk page with ready-to-use text, I have little doubt I could get the information into the article. Now, if I suggested they change the lead-in to &quot;George W. Bush is the tyrant currently waging war from his den of evil, and the former governor of Texas, which is a state full of stupid people,&quot; I have little doubt I would fail.

Regardless, I don&#039;t think the fact that it&#039;s more difficult to edit highly important and controversial articles really takes away from Wikipedia being a contributor-driven site). Nor does it somehow put the lie to their slogan. 

I think it&#039;s interesting to compare the Wikipedia quotes to your interpretations. They say &quot;anyone can edit, correct or improve information throughout the encyclopedia.&quot; You complain that not anyone can &quot;just edit stuff,&quot; and you say they&#039;re claiming to be a &quot;free-for-all.&quot; 

In the e-mail you link to, Jimmy Wales suggests that semi-protection is an acceptable tool for vandalism-prone articles &quot;because the threshold to editing is still quite low for anyone who seriously wants to join the dialogue.&quot; You turn this into &quot;So much for being &#039;written collaboratively by people from all around the world.&#039;&quot;

You&#039;re using very, very strong language here -- &quot;death sentence,&quot; &quot;can&#039;t be farther from the truth,&quot; etc. If your only argument is that there are some barriers against drive-through edits on &quot;entries of controversy or higher importance,&quot; then you&#039;re making a fool of yourself. Is there some other point that I&#039;m missing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, if I had actual *new* information to add to the George W. Bush page, and I could cite a reputable source, and I added it to the talk page with ready-to-use text, I have little doubt I could get the information into the article. Now, if I suggested they change the lead-in to &#8220;George W. Bush is the tyrant currently waging war from his den of evil, and the former governor of Texas, which is a state full of stupid people,&#8221; I have little doubt I would fail.</p>
<p>Regardless, I don&#8217;t think the fact that it&#8217;s more difficult to edit highly important and controversial articles really takes away from Wikipedia being a contributor-driven site). Nor does it somehow put the lie to their slogan. </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s interesting to compare the Wikipedia quotes to your interpretations. They say &#8220;anyone can edit, correct or improve information throughout the encyclopedia.&#8221; You complain that not anyone can &#8220;just edit stuff,&#8221; and you say they&#8217;re claiming to be a &#8220;free-for-all.&#8221; </p>
<p>In the e-mail you link to, Jimmy Wales suggests that semi-protection is an acceptable tool for vandalism-prone articles &#8220;because the threshold to editing is still quite low for anyone who seriously wants to join the dialogue.&#8221; You turn this into &#8220;So much for being &#8216;written collaboratively by people from all around the world.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re using very, very strong language here &#8212; &#8220;death sentence,&#8221; &#8220;can&#8217;t be farther from the truth,&#8221; etc. If your only argument is that there are some barriers against drive-through edits on &#8220;entries of controversy or higher importance,&#8221; then you&#8217;re making a fool of yourself. Is there some other point that I&#8217;m missing?</p>
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		<title>By: jangelo</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/05/the_truth_about_wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-27698</link>
		<dc:creator>jangelo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 May 2006 16:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John, that&#039;s understood--the fact that not everyone&#039;s opinion deserves mention. In fact, it&#039;s not supposed to be &lt;em&gt;opinion&lt;/em&gt; written on Wikipedia, but fact, isn&#039;t it?

At any rate, I&#039;m not complaining. And if I were, it woudn&#039;t be because they&#039;re trying to maintain a balanced view. They always have, and this is perfectly acceptable!

But they&#039;ve always done the editions post-fact, meaning if someone posts some crappy edition to one entry, the editors would promptly revert to the more acceptable state, or edit accordingly.

This time, though, they&#039;re blanket-banning IPs from certain locations from making any editions, and they&#039;re blanket-protecting certain articles such that they cannot be edited outright.

It&#039;s a myth, all right, and this is as good as the myth of DIGG&#039;s being a fully reader/contributor-driven site. :P

&lt;a href=&quot;http://forevergeek.com/fg_commentary/diggcom_blogging_and_the_evolution_of_web_20.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s what I think about this &quot;myth&quot; in general.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John, that&#8217;s understood&#8211;the fact that not everyone&#8217;s opinion deserves mention. In fact, it&#8217;s not supposed to be <em>opinion</em> written on Wikipedia, but fact, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>At any rate, I&#8217;m not complaining. And if I were, it woudn&#8217;t be because they&#8217;re trying to maintain a balanced view. They always have, and this is perfectly acceptable!</p>
<p>But they&#8217;ve always done the editions post-fact, meaning if someone posts some crappy edition to one entry, the editors would promptly revert to the more acceptable state, or edit accordingly.</p>
<p>This time, though, they&#8217;re blanket-banning IPs from certain locations from making any editions, and they&#8217;re blanket-protecting certain articles such that they cannot be edited outright.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a myth, all right, and this is as good as the myth of DIGG&#8217;s being a fully reader/contributor-driven site. :P</p>
<p><a href="http://forevergeek.com/fg_commentary/diggcom_blogging_and_the_evolution_of_web_20.php" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s what I think about this &#8220;myth&#8221; in general.</a></p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 May 2006 16:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you&#039;re complaining because editors try and maintain a balanced view on controversial topics?

The benefits of Wikipedia is that it&#039;s a large, open repository of information built from the community. That doesn&#039;t imply that everyone&#039;s opinion or ideas on a subject gets (or deserves) equal space in an entry. It means the cream of the crop of information gets on the page. The most informative, balanced information out there, which almost by definition means a hierarchy of control in the site. There has been a shroud of myth circling around about Wikipedia being an anarchist experiment, but to say that because this isn&#039;t the case all of a sudden the value of the information on Wikipedia has dropped doesn&#039;t make sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you&#8217;re complaining because editors try and maintain a balanced view on controversial topics?</p>
<p>The benefits of Wikipedia is that it&#8217;s a large, open repository of information built from the community. That doesn&#8217;t imply that everyone&#8217;s opinion or ideas on a subject gets (or deserves) equal space in an entry. It means the cream of the crop of information gets on the page. The most informative, balanced information out there, which almost by definition means a hierarchy of control in the site. There has been a shroud of myth circling around about Wikipedia being an anarchist experiment, but to say that because this isn&#8217;t the case all of a sudden the value of the information on Wikipedia has dropped doesn&#8217;t make sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeroen Coumans</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/05/the_truth_about_wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-27696</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeroen Coumans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 May 2006 12:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to Clay Shirky, the decreased openness of Wikipedia is a consequent of its success, not a sign of failure. &lt;a href=&quot;http://many.corante.com/archives/2006/05/25/news_of_wikipedias_death_greatly_exaggerated.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;It&#039;s death is greatly exaggerated.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Clay Shirky, the decreased openness of Wikipedia is a consequent of its success, not a sign of failure. <a href="http://many.corante.com/archives/2006/05/25/news_of_wikipedias_death_greatly_exaggerated.php" rel="nofollow">It&#8217;s death is greatly exaggerated.</a></p>
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		<title>By: jangelo</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/05/the_truth_about_wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-27695</link>
		<dc:creator>jangelo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 May 2006 08:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments, eveyone.

@Corsarius, yes it stil serves as a great resource for me. Though the idealism in me has waned, sadly.

@Ahmer, about the &quot;power pyramid,&quot; let me put it this way. If I were the owner of Wikipedia, I could edit certain articles to my advantage. Say, I&#039;m an advocate of a certain ideology, I could rewrite or lock articles to have a slant or bias towards that ideology.

Or if not the owner, maybe there could be a rogue higher-level editor that can control things as such.

@Monsolo, that&#039;s a good point. Wikipedia had been subject of several lawsuits already. Perhaps it also needs to wash its hands clean of liability, or probably protect itself from the possibility of people putting in defamatory writeups.

@Ian, the owner just emailed his entire team saying &lt;em&gt;why don&#039;t we just lock all the important articles for the meantime, for simplicity&#039;s sake?&lt;/em&gt; or something to that effect. That, I believe, is simply too drastic a move, and against Wikipedia&#039;s supposed ideals at that.

@Borko, well, I still do consider Wikipedia as a great resource of information.

@Dan, try editing &quot;George W. Bush.&quot; :P I agree that with the lesser-controversial or minor topics, it&#039;s usually a trivial matter to edit articles. But for the entries of controversy or higher importance, then that&#039;s where it gets a bit more complicated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments, eveyone.</p>
<p>@Corsarius, yes it stil serves as a great resource for me. Though the idealism in me has waned, sadly.</p>
<p>@Ahmer, about the &#8220;power pyramid,&#8221; let me put it this way. If I were the owner of Wikipedia, I could edit certain articles to my advantage. Say, I&#8217;m an advocate of a certain ideology, I could rewrite or lock articles to have a slant or bias towards that ideology.</p>
<p>Or if not the owner, maybe there could be a rogue higher-level editor that can control things as such.</p>
<p>@Monsolo, that&#8217;s a good point. Wikipedia had been subject of several lawsuits already. Perhaps it also needs to wash its hands clean of liability, or probably protect itself from the possibility of people putting in defamatory writeups.</p>
<p>@Ian, the owner just emailed his entire team saying <em>why don&#8217;t we just lock all the important articles for the meantime, for simplicity&#8217;s sake?</em> or something to that effect. That, I believe, is simply too drastic a move, and against Wikipedia&#8217;s supposed ideals at that.</p>
<p>@Borko, well, I still do consider Wikipedia as a great resource of information.</p>
<p>@Dan, try editing &#8220;George W. Bush.&#8221; :P I agree that with the lesser-controversial or minor topics, it&#8217;s usually a trivial matter to edit articles. But for the entries of controversy or higher importance, then that&#8217;s where it gets a bit more complicated.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Ridley</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/05/the_truth_about_wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-27694</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Ridley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 May 2006 07:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On those occasions when I run into something I know (or would be researching anyway) that isn&#039;t covered, my contributions are accepted with little fuss. Editors occasionally clean things up a bit, and of course sometimes someone else with broader knowledge expands an article and runs with it, but I can say as an end user that every time I&#039;ve tried to add, correct or improve information, I&#039;ve been freely able to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On those occasions when I run into something I know (or would be researching anyway) that isn&#8217;t covered, my contributions are accepted with little fuss. Editors occasionally clean things up a bit, and of course sometimes someone else with broader knowledge expands an article and runs with it, but I can say as an end user that every time I&#8217;ve tried to add, correct or improve information, I&#8217;ve been freely able to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: borko</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/05/the_truth_about_wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-27693</link>
		<dc:creator>borko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 May 2006 06:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am aware of the fact that literally everyone can edit wikipedia, but even after a everyday use for past couple of months, I did not come across a signle article which was not written in a good language, helpfull and very objective even in some very controversial cases. So, i think that current system is working out pretty well ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am aware of the fact that literally everyone can edit wikipedia, but even after a everyday use for past couple of months, I did not come across a signle article which was not written in a good language, helpfull and very objective even in some very controversial cases. So, i think that current system is working out pretty well ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Ian W.</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/05/the_truth_about_wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-27692</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 May 2006 03:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Wikipedia is not signing it&#039;s death sentence. I don&#039;t see the point you are trying to make here that proves that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Wikipedia is not signing it&#8217;s death sentence. I don&#8217;t see the point you are trying to make here that proves that.</p>
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		<title>By: Monsolo</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/05/the_truth_about_wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-27691</link>
		<dc:creator>Monsolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 May 2006 01:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No big issue for me. Besides, I look at this at some legal-speak just to protect Wikipedia from some person suing Wikipedia to get some bucks.    I&#039;ve always been updating articles, removing erroneous ones, and generally articles can be edited by anyone. I encountered some articles which were already &quot;closed.&quot; I&#039;ve also encountered a situation where I could not post an update: when I tried putting a personal website in the external links.  Wiki removed it in a matter of seconds.  No big thing for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No big issue for me. Besides, I look at this at some legal-speak just to protect Wikipedia from some person suing Wikipedia to get some bucks.    I&#8217;ve always been updating articles, removing erroneous ones, and generally articles can be edited by anyone. I encountered some articles which were already &#8220;closed.&#8221; I&#8217;ve also encountered a situation where I could not post an update: when I tried putting a personal website in the external links.  Wiki removed it in a matter of seconds.  No big thing for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmer</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/05/the_truth_about_wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-27690</link>
		<dc:creator>Ahmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 May 2006 22:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About the power pyramid thing.

Everybody can EDIT wikipedia. It just gets checked. Also wouldn&#039;t you want to be incharge of a site that YOU are responsible for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About the power pyramid thing.</p>
<p>Everybody can EDIT wikipedia. It just gets checked. Also wouldn&#8217;t you want to be incharge of a site that YOU are responsible for?</p>
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		<title>By: Corsarius</title>
		<link>http://www.forevergeek.com/2006/05/the_truth_about_wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-27689</link>
		<dc:creator>Corsarius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 May 2006 20:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No prob, JAngelo. Great points here. Though of course Wikipedia still remains a prime source for information ;) The pic really fits the bill, btw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No prob, JAngelo. Great points here. Though of course Wikipedia still remains a prime source for information ;) The pic really fits the bill, btw.</p>
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