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Chris argues over at restiffbard.com that the fundamental difference between Windows and Mac users lies not so much in the user interface in general, but only certain specific characteristics of the UI. In particular, it’s all about the “maximize” button and how it affects the user’s workflow. In Windows, the big rectangular box would maximize a window, causing it to take up all space on the screen except for the taskbar. In Mac OS X, the green “+” button would simply resize the current window to its optimal width and height, taking into consideration the current window contents.
Because it is a simple matter for a OS X user to increase the width of their browser on a case by case basis there is never a need to stretch to full screen. The button that most Windows people assume will expand a window to full screen instead, in OS X, expands or contracts to the documents dimensions. In the case of a browser it expands and contracts to the width of the web page.
In windows, there is no easy way to contract a window view. So, rather than jumping back and forth between window sizes a Windows person would just go full screen and stay there.
So in this case, the Mac user would be used to multitasking, with the slew of windows visible on the desktop, overlapping, and sometimes just peeking from behind the foreground window. The Windows user, on the other hand, tends to work solely on the current window visible in the foreground.
I’m both a Mac and Windows user, and I usually work on my Mac and Windows laptops side by side (each with their particular purposes). I’ve reached the point where I no longer get confused when I switch across the Mac and Windows interfaces. And guess what. I don’t usually maximize my Windows! Even before I started using a Mac, I never got used to maximizing. I always preferred having my Windows overlapping, with some peeking just behind the active window I’m currently working on.
Yes, it’s a workflow issue. Having a window maximized has advantages, since this lets the user focus on the single task at hand. But having all your windows–or parts thereof–visible at all times (let’s not even mention Exposé) can also help in seeing the bigger picture.
Still, one has to consider that the human brain was not designed for multitasking. So it’s a question of productivity. Do you work (or play) better when you have a good grasp of the overall picture? Or do you need to be constantly focused on one thing?
Perhaps more interesting and intriguing with the restiffbard.com article is the reader discussion that ensues. There’s the Mac camp, and there’s the Windows camp, and there are the people that see things more objectively. Going beyond the My-OS-is-better-than-your-OS arguments, though, it’s really a matter of how effectively the machine can interface with the human. Both sides have advantages. And considering that Windows still has majority share in the world’s consumer OS market, how effective a UI may no longer be inherent in the operating system’s design. The Mac cult may argue about their’s being superior. But in the end, It’s about preference. It’s about user adoption. This is why some people still find it difficult to switch across platforms.
What about you? What’s your OS and what’s your preference in dealing with window sizes?
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September 21st, 2006 at 5:05 am
1I’m on OSX at work – dual monitor setup – and XP at home, all running at 1280 res.
I much prefer working fullscreen. When I am coding I don’t see any advantage to having something overlapping my code window, showing a news ticker, or my cpu usage, or album art or whatever. Same when I am designing. I want as much space as possible dedicated to what it is I am working on, so as much real estate as I can get for my code, or my design.
At work I will almost certainly have the output of what I am doing on the other monitor, which is much better than at home having to alt-tab between things.
The OSX behaviour frustrates me, and I found it really annoying yesterday when I wanted to quickly make iTunes fill the screen. I pressed the + button and it shrank to mini view! Doesn’t that button toggle between a “maximised” window, and the size last set by the user? Not to mention that the three buttons on mini view are arranged vertically, and I had to mouse-over to be sure which button was which…But I digress…
September 21st, 2006 at 9:55 am
2Nice write-up. This is often what annoys me about the Windows users when it comes to discussions about the browser size. They simply assume the browser size equals the screen resolution. Another thing I want to point out is that, historically, Mac OS has always been about drag-and-drop. The more partially visible windows you have overlapping each other, the better suited it is for drag-and-drop.
September 21st, 2006 at 10:18 am
3It may be personal preference at home, but at work people will use whatever they’re given. Thus, personal preference does not account for the disparity in market share.
For me, unlike the maximize button, the difference is the “task bar.” On Windows, you have one button for a shortcut to launch an app, and then a second button when it’s running. On the Mac, the user doesn’t need to care whether it’s running or not – there’s just one single button. If it’s not running, then the button launches it; if it’s running, then you switch to it. I like the Mac way because it exemplifies the machine working for me – don’t make me figure it out, “just do it” (give me access to the app running).
September 21st, 2006 at 12:02 pm
4on my powerbook, i keep 3 finder windows open at all times and they sized and set up for viewing 3 locations at once. they take up about 75% of the screen.
i also have my timing program open which takes up about 4% of the window to start and stop timing on a job.
then i have the itunes window open on minimize so it is very small and takes maybe another 4%.
my email app sits open on top of the finder windows, so i am just switching back and forth between those with lightswitch.
browser goes right there as well. command + tab all day between those 3 apps.
aim client goes on the side and my tabbed window with all my chats right above it.
pretty much have most things i use all day on the powerbook open and visable at all times with out having to move anything.
i use teleport to roll over from my workstation to do anything and it is pretty much the most effecient way i have found working in years. no moving windows, no opening and closing, and to check anything, i just look at the screen for 90% of the usable info i need.
September 21st, 2006 at 1:03 pm
5I am on a mac and I am cool with it.
September 21st, 2006 at 1:14 pm
6Maximise on Windows is fine on low res screens. Nowadays who wants a web browser to maximise to 1920*1200?!!
September 21st, 2006 at 1:16 pm
7I am on a Mac.
To me, the main difference isn’t the Maximize button, its the ability to access my other apps/windows easily.
Expose rocks. End of story.
September 21st, 2006 at 1:18 pm
8Maximize button – I agree.
Or double click should maximize.
Mac scroll bar is too small
Mac scroll bar does not touch right-edge of screen (it takes effort to put the cursor over it)
September 21st, 2006 at 1:25 pm
9I use Windows XP with a program called ObjectDock that allows me to have a shortcut list of programs just like a mac. As both a designer and a programmer, both Macs and PCs have their uses, I need to use both.
September 21st, 2006 at 1:25 pm
10This is exactly why I see the Maximize / Restore button to be ingenious. It has both OSX and Windows functionality (Maximize or custom). Windows Taskbar is often an under appreciated feature, as you can drag a file on top of an applications taskbar item to make that window come to the top and drop whatever you want. This overcomes any limitation of having an application maximized. You can even Alt + Tab while dragging and dropping. Itâs Perfect.
September 21st, 2006 at 1:27 pm
11I use both.
My thought is if Windows users are so keen on maximizing the window to full screen, they might as well call the OS Microsoft WINDOW!
September 21st, 2006 at 1:34 pm
12I have both a Mac and a PC.
The user interface on OSX is really frustrating to me. I HAVE to have my windows full screen because I find the desktop to be a big distraction. That a big problem with Mac but personally the real pitfall is how the menu bar is not attached to the individual application. It’s easily my favorite feature to hate about OSX.
September 21st, 2006 at 1:34 pm
13Wow. This is quite possibly the first Windows v. Mac article I’ve read which doesn’t take a side and covers it’s ears yelling “LALALALA” so they can’t hear the other side.
I personally use XP on all machines I own, but use both XP and OSX machines at work.
I prefer maximizing windows to the whole screen, as it helps me focus. On XP machines, I use Alt-Tab to access other apps when I need them, but find productivity really rachets up when you only have one window up and can focus on it.
On OSX, I constantly find myself resizing windows so it takes up the majority if not all of hte screen. And when I need to find another window, expose it is. Expose is a really nice version on Alt-Tab, but I feel both function the same for me.
Again nice article.
September 21st, 2006 at 1:34 pm
14This post is a good observation about the differences between Mac and Windows in terms of workflow…
The one-window-at-a-time approach of Windows contrasts deeply with multi-window approach of the Mac… it’s interesting to think of this because both models have been around with both platforms from the very beginning of both of their histories!
Also relevant and related to the zoom-button discussion is SDI versus MDI… That is, single document interface versus multi-document interface. On the Mac, it is a SDI all the way… If you launch an application like Photoshop, a single document occupies a single window. If you open a second document, it appears in a second window, completely independent of the first.
On Windows, more than a few apps are MDI, the prevalent examples being Photoshop and Excel (excel is actually a bit of a hybrid)… This is characterized by windows-within-windows approach, where the big enclosing window represents the running application, a grey area inside the window represents the workspace, and windows in that grey area represent documents of that app…
The MDI approach is clearly tailored for the Windows approach where the frontmost app is always maximized to the full size of the screen, and smaller windows float around inside of it to represent docs.
MDI has some advantages, but in recent years, the advent of multi-monitor setups have shows some clear disadvantages to MDI and maximizing windows… For example, the code editor i use on Windows is CodeWright. It is an MDI application… I recently got a second monitor on my dev system, and unfortunately you cannot keep an app maximized across two monitors, so it is hard to work with two documents side by side on two different monitors…
Maximizing a window is limited to only ONE desktop, only ONE monitor, without some hacks….
If more Windows applications were SDI, the handling across multiple monitors would be more efficient, without the useless “grey” areas in MDI windows…
Mac OS X, incidentally, is strictly SDI, like I said before…
September 21st, 2006 at 1:35 pm
15Interesting I’ll have to agree this one thing that I notice about windows users. I use a PC at work and you are right, I still like to have 4 or 5 windows open and rarely full screen. I don’t like to have the desktop hidden. Also, I find with a dual screen set up its too much realestate. Having a browser open on full screen to a web site that only uses half… well that’s just annoying to me.
A tip for any Windows user that wants to go crazy with open windows: right click on the clock in the bottom right corner. Choose Tile Windows Horizontally or Tile Windows Vertically. It will resize your open windows making maximum use of the screen realestate.
It’s not expose but it’s kinda handy for the Mac users on Windows who don’t like to maximize.
September 21st, 2006 at 1:41 pm
16I use both but I’d much prefer windows over Mac. I absolutely HATE that it doesn’t maximize.
You may not maximize much on a desktop, but I bet you do on a laptop, even my MBP.
It also pisses me off that accidently having your mouse to the side and hitting a button causes your application to disappear.
And it sucks that you have not background in Photoshop to double click on top open photos or drag photos into from another window.
Horrible interface.
September 21st, 2006 at 1:50 pm
17In response to Laughingman:
To enable fullscreen spanning, just set this as the mode you want to display in, this is generally simply called “Span” mode, what you are describing is “DualView” mode, which is most suitable for everyday use.
I currently use 2 monitors in a 2560×1024 setup, that occasionally view in vertical 2048×1280 format.
As far as the maximised vs. catered-for-size debate goes, personally I’m a single window, multi-application. I use tabbeds, or internalised windowing systems almost exclusively full screen.
I find when I read a book, it’s hard to do when it sits on top of newspapers. Single window keeps me focused, and if I need to size a window on top, I can manually size it, and use PowerMenu to set it to always on top.
My limited experience with Macs (iBook w/1024×768) caused me enormous frustration as I tried to size windows up to get the most real estate, essential for photo/video/audio work.
If this weren’t the case, surely Apple’s flagship Apeture would be in a window…?
September 21st, 2006 at 1:54 pm
18power user… the “background” on photoshop is an effect of the MDI nature of Photoshop on Windows. On Mac, it is SDI…
MDI has its advantages, and what you mentioned is one advantage, but there are big disadvantages too..
Try working with Photoshop maximized and then using multiple monitors. It gets very very clunky very fast because if you maximize Photoshop, it takes up only one screen, ignoring the other screen… the other option would be to straddle the two screens by resizing photoshop to spill over to the other monitor… but then you are wasting space by blocking out whatever was behind the photoshop app with the MDI background grey area.
On the mac, if you want to drag photos to Photoshop to open them, you can drag and drop them onto the Photoshop icon in the dock… they’ll open right up.
September 21st, 2006 at 2:00 pm
19I agree. Usually an article like this would be about “This is how the Mac/Windows is supperior than the other” but instead focuses on the advantages and disadvantages. Nicely written.
September 21st, 2006 at 2:03 pm
20This was the very first thing I ever did on a Mac, hit the “maximize” button, and the window just resized itself to this gawd-awful shape (back in the old days it wasn’t very smart).
I hated the UI ever since. OSX has the same UI as it did when the OS started (except now they realize tree form is better), its just icons EVERYWHERE in no organization, icons spilled across the bottom of the screen. When I’m using a 30 inch display, and I want to be “wowed” by something HUGE, I can’t just MAXIMIZE it to get it to be the focus of my screen. I have to drag, and drag, and drag the corner to get it similar to full screen.
BTW – I now HATE the Maximize in Windows Vista!! They have these beautifully translucent Menu bars, light in color and feel… but then, if you Maximize, the windows border becomes a staunch opaque dark color and it feels like your trapped in that window FOREVER.
September 21st, 2006 at 2:13 pm
21Why are there NO dates and times on this article?
Tabbed browsers are essentially MDI, so to say MacOS is only SDI is misleading. Safari and Firefox have tabs on Mac OSX.
I use Windows.
I like Mac.
I don’t understand why there is that + button on macs. It seems to me to be useless. I would like to observe someone actually using it while they are working.
Dragging over the taskbar or alt-tabbing while dragging are both probably almost never used and are both poor interfaces.
Of course, it totally depends on your work habits and on how big a screen you have.
In the end, it seems like a stubborn stupidity to me to not make that + button maximise stuff. Even apple has apps that allow full screen use – DVD Player, Slide Shows, and Aperture.
September 21st, 2006 at 2:22 pm
22It doesn’t make a shits difference to me. I like the option of the Maximize button but I don’t use it all that much, and I can live without it.
I can work with Text/GUI, KDE/Mac, Windows/Gnome.. Anyone can. They’re all basically the same. You have the same interface with the machine (Mouse and Keyboard) so it’s all easy to figure out.
There’s the other things like UI layout, menu layout, etc – but those aren’t what we’re really talking about here, and those are what make the big difference in the usability of an interface, no matter how it’s presented to the user.
September 21st, 2006 at 2:23 pm
23Someone already pointed out that maximizing a window in a dual-monitor XP setup does NOT maximize it across both screens. It only maximizes to the full size of one monitor, minus the taskbar at the bottom if you’ve chosen to extend it to both screens.
For the person who said that they like one button on the task bar for an app whether its running or not. How many apps do you have on your Mac? I have a whole lot more than the number of icons I could possible fit on a taskbar of any reasonable size.
September 21st, 2006 at 2:27 pm
24Background preface: I use both Mac and PC. I grew up with Apple, and having been using personal computers since the early-mid 80s, starting at about 7 years old with a variety of machines and OSes from that era. Granted, I’m primarily Windows/PC now – by choice, by cost, by habit, etc – but I’m comfortable enough around MacOS or OS X to build and support it, as well as use it efficiently as a primary computer in a work or production environment.
There’s a lot of things MacOS and OS X has had right all along but the window manager – slash – windowing user interface isn’t one of them.
The Mac way of handling windows is infuriating. It was nice in the beginning – before we we familiar with windowed GUIs – in that it automagically assisted in mouse-only navigation and conceptualizing the “stack” of documents or applications on the desktop. It was a beautiful hack, if an inadvertent or evolved one, to take focus away from complex keyboard routines and channel navigation through the mouse. This probably assisted millions of newbies “get it” and get to work.
The Mac SDI method also seems to be a remnant from the design ethic laid out by the PARC GUI idea (can’t recall the project name) they basically “borrowed”, which is tangentially a holdout from the old MIT desktop project in the mid 60s (can’t recall this one, either.) I think this is suboptimal because it’s overdesigned, placing too much emphasis on the “messy desk” and “bookshelf” metaphors – using visual/spatial to remember paths or iterations of navigation. I’m not saying windows doesn’t use these metaphors, either, but I’m saying that in the non-Windows examples above the randomness and visualness is overemphasized, and that the quixotic engineer’s “messy desk” fetish is readily apparent, coloring the interface and the user experience.
And trust me, I love a messy desk. Mine’s a Superfund site right now. But I don’t need my window manager to be messy – that’s the whole frickin’ point of computers. You can instruct them to automatically tidy themselves up, to sort and stack things, to do all that crap for you.
So. Today it’s just insane. What confident user navigates entirely with the mouse? Even many novices know how to do simple web and window navigation with the keyboard. Power users loath touching the mouse at all.
The Mac way is just so cluttered. It’s really tiresome. The misclicks where you accidentally deselect a few hundred carefully hand-picked files. The accidental drag and drops. The default single mouse button. Gaaaargh.
When I work in the one full window (or one full window per monitor) at a time scheme, all of the menu buttons are in the same place, all the time. There’s no background clutter. I can drag/drop and pop open apps and windows via the taskbar. Miscues and misclicks seem much, much less frequent.
What Mac makes up in productivity and sleekness it loses in excess interface clutter. I can get more navigation – and seemingly more work – done on Windows (or even a similar KDE/gnome config) in less keypresses and clicks. And it seems to show when I see folks who are primarly Mac-based using a PC – doing things the complicated way with multiply-sized windows and too much mouse-work.
And it’s a shame, really, because OS X really does have a lot going for it otherwise.
September 21st, 2006 at 2:27 pm
25I have never been a maximizer in Windows. Especially in an era of having some kind of IM client, it just seems wasteful. The only thing I do use full-screen is Visual Studio. Even that is technically in a window because it’s running in Parallels on a Mac. ;)
September 21st, 2006 at 2:31 pm
26From a design standpoint, my primary issue with Mac is the way that they’ve jumped so quickly on the widescreen format bandwagon. I do newspaper layout for a living, and even with the Quark window “maximized” to the full screen width, in a widescreen format (on my work machine) I can only see about a fifth of a broadsheet page at a time. To see a whole page, I have to zoom out to about 20% full size. Widescreen is not always the best solution. Ironically, I can get more done on my PC at home on a 17 inch lcd with 1280×1024 than on my work Mac at 1650×1050, because it’s better suited to my application.
September 21st, 2006 at 2:32 pm
27Google search “polychronic monochronic” for great info on approaches to time and task. Explains a lot about this single maximized v multiple overlapping windows.
While your at it… take a look at your desk.
http://hackvan.com/pub/stig/etext/monochronic-vs-polychronic-time.html
September 21st, 2006 at 2:35 pm
28“…the human brain was not designed for multitasking.”
This is the key observation here, but it needs to be augmented by additional issues: (1) Real work® isn’t a single-document matter; and (2) management of multiple views is itself another set of tasks. And the best system minimizes the _total_ overhead, including the management task. Which is, as far as I am concerned, Windows reeks — that management task distracts *far* too much from what I’m actually trying to do.
September 21st, 2006 at 2:38 pm
29Very good article. But this is the one thing that keeps me away from the Mac platform.
I’m a web designer by day and 3d artist the rest of time. maxamize is something i have to have. If I could get rid of the task bar and menu bar I would. Desktop visable, very distracting, can’t use photoshop on a mac. I hate having the ability to click and have photoshop vanish. As for dreamweaver, and I work with Mac, PC and Linux.
At home I have a dual screen setup, with the ability to maximize on both monitors independently, and that works for me. Its a matter of personality. Some people focus while others go back and forth.
But what is multi-tasking on a computer other than focusing on single window/task at a time while switching back and forth. If you told me i could paint in photshop while scrolling a webpage on a Mac at the same time, then I would drop whichever one couldn’t do it. On the 3d front gotta have all, and i mean all of my 19, 21, 23 or even 30 inches of screen. As for something like maya, have finder or that top bar, then the window bar(with min,max) then the shelf, in losing a lot of what I paid for.
September 21st, 2006 at 2:47 pm
30The lack of a true Maximize button is my biggest complaint with the MAC OS. I truly hate it. Apple: please give me the option. I don’t want your idea of the “ideal window size”, and I’d like to have the green button do the right thing.
September 21st, 2006 at 2:54 pm
31I don’t think it’s true that Windows users keep their windows maximized. I’m a Windows user and I don’t do that.
It’s possible that Mac users are chronic maximizers when working on Windows machines, out of the habit they’ve developed of clicking “that box.” As a Windows user, I tend not to use “that box” too often, though I do so on occasion when I want an app to display full screen. Instead, what I normally do is manually resize the window to suit my needs. It’s really not that big a deal.
September 21st, 2006 at 3:02 pm
32I’m on Linux, running the Ion window manager. Talk about off-center!
Of course, the Ion window manager (http://www.modeemi.fi/~tuomov/ion/)’s way of doing things disagrees entirely with Mac’s and Windows’. There’s no such thing as a “maximize” button. Windows are always maximized, but they don’t take up the whole screen. They just take up the frame you put them in.
It’s really really different, but it’s the most usable interface I’ve ever encountered. I no longer find myself caring about things like “Tabbed Browsing” or “Expose”. Ion makes all of those IRRELEVANT by removing the real problem — overlapping windows.
September 21st, 2006 at 3:10 pm
33Earlier post: “I’d like to have the green button do the right thing”
What the “right thing” is completely depends on what you’re working on. I’m a graphic designer who works on a Mac. For me, the right thing is to have each window only as large as it needs to be to show its contents. That leaves me space on the screen for other apps or other documents in a single app.
If I was typing or coding, that’s a different story. While I don’t think the Mac OS’s zoom functionallity should be changed, it would probably be helpful to make maximizing the window to full screen an option. Maybe if they made “option-clicking” on the zoom button do that? That actually sounds like a shareware solution, anyone know of something that’ll do that?
Great article. I’d like to see more Mac vs. Windows articles focus on usability instead just of features.
September 21st, 2006 at 3:20 pm
34Maxamize + Alt Tab. End of story.
(And I’m talking Windows and Ubuntu with Compiz and XGL)
September 21st, 2006 at 3:21 pm
35“The human brain was not designed for multitasking.” That statement is totally false. Humans have been multitasking ever since we dropped from the trees. Our ancestors were running away from damger, hanging on to infants or spears and looking for a safe place to run to — all the while communicating with each other. The human brain was built for multitasking. If it weren’t we would not be here.
September 21st, 2006 at 3:37 pm
36In nature you can multitask on a computer technically you can’t.
Nature/life, you can talk on the phone while typing or writing or whatever.
On a computer, name me 2 things that “you” can do at the same time on a computer.
This excludes listening to music or simular.
It doesn’t matter what platform it is, one windows always has to take focus, why not maximize the focused window. The funnies thing that ever happened to me was clicking what looked a like a maximize button and having it shrink even smaller. If I click + sign I for some crazy reason expect more. And I have to say I know apple is about pretty, but come on, how much does it mess up to have a scroll wheel.
September 21st, 2006 at 3:55 pm
37I see that Microsoft is posting articles on themselves now!! HA
I use several programs at the same time some times using data from one and transfering it to the other. Eg. I get a PDF order and have to add it into a spreadsheet. This can only be done efficiently on OS X and somehow just doesnt work with Windows. Expose is essential to let this run smoothly.
Ctrl + Alt + Del
end of story
September 21st, 2006 at 3:59 pm
38I’m shocked at how strongly people feel about the maximize button. In the windows MDI maximize is much more necessary than on the mac SDI. I think it’s mostly a matter of updating your thinking to the platform you’re on.
There are a lot of workflows that work better on the Mac. Someone earlier mentioned drag and drop. I often times want to cut and past between two applications which have many windows open. On Windows I would have all those windows maximized so I could see all their documents, but then to see two documents from different apps would require a lot of shuffling around. Sure the screen can get cluttered, but that’s easily managed with Command-Option-H.
The differences between the OSes are cohesive. Windows wouldn’t suppoert a SDI interface very well in general because each window appears on the taskbar. As soon as you get more than 6 or 7 windows they can all become unidentifiable. Whereas on the Mac applications are the primary thing on the dock, and their windows are automatically grouped there, so it doesn’t hurt to have an SDI.
So the maximize button is really just the tip of the UI iceberg. I believe there is a haxie that will make the green button always maximize, however I don’t think it’s necessary on OS X. On Windows it puts the menu at the top of the screen and allows subwindows to be unconstrained. Those are pretty essential tools, but already inherent in OS X. Plus, since OS X doesn’t use a MDI maximize is actually deterimental in some cases. For instance, in Photoshop it would move your editor window so it was under all the pallettes, which would make it difficult to edit some parts of your document.
Anyway, making the green button maximize gives up the existing behaviour which is more useful to a lot of people, so Apple can’t have it both ways. People are going to complain. On the other hand, the thing that really annoys me with Mac windows is that you can’t change the window size from any edge. Only the lower-right. In my mind that’s a huge issue because it’s pointless aestheticism that makes it much harder to do things like precisely place a window in the lower right corner.
The Mac OS X Finder abounds with UI gaffes. The mixed metaphor of window vs browser. The unpredictability of opening new windows vs updating the existing windows. The sorting of windows at inopportune times causing misclicks after adding a new folder and attempting to select it. Before 10.4, the inability to resize column-view columns.
September 21st, 2006 at 4:19 pm
39I’m currently running Vista on my MBP. When I click a maximize button, personally I prefer the window to mazimize – when I want a window in it’s ‘optimal size’ I grab the corner and set that size.
A bit more interesting to me is that there’s another workflow piece that I personally find interesting: double-clicking the window title. In Windows it also results in maximizing the window; in OS X it minimizes to the dock.
I prefer the minimize function, and really miss this in Windows.
September 21st, 2006 at 4:42 pm
40Yea, that’s the *only* difference between two of the planet’s most pervasive GUI operating systems. Never mind the army of engineers working for these two companies, or the decades of work that’s gone into both the underpinnings of the OSes and the markets and uses for which they’re designed.
The whole “your computer is t3h s4×0r” argument comes down to a fucking button and a UI behavior.
Jesus christ.
September 21st, 2006 at 4:59 pm
41Try another hypothesis.
I’ve never had a Mac, but I seldom maximize windows in Windows.
Jim H.
September 21st, 2006 at 5:06 pm
42To me, it’s a matter of scope. Different applications have different levels of importance to my current task, and I need to be able to use them accordingly. For example, when I’m writing code – in nearly *any* environment – that _is_ what I’m doing. I want my editor, front, center, and maximized. I may have documentation open as well. That too is important, and if I have to visually scan through it, I want to be able to do it as quickly as possible. My documentation will also be maximized, in the background (or on a second screen), accessible at a keystroke or a taskbar-button press. If it’s a personal project, I may also have an IM client running. The “buddy list” will almost certainly *not* be open; I’m coding, I’m not here to talk. If someone does decide to start a conversation, the window will remain at its small (a couple hundred pixels in either dimmension) size. As the conversation moves along, I can quickly switch to see what was said, and perhaps offer a reply, _without_ losing sight of what I’m working on. Filesystem browsing similarly has that kind of low priority.
There is at least one situation, though, where this model becomes more difficult to work with – any time there is a situation where I find myself needing to repeatedly reference the same material repeatedly (a corrollary specifications document, for example), I _want_ to be able to comfortably see both at the same time. MacOS certainly does handle this situation _much_ better, but in all the work I do (coding, design, graphics, 3D modelling, remote maintenance, etc), this situation is a minor corner-case.
Now, I’ve tried using Macs to do my work (I finished my work as a Mac repair technician recently). More often than not, however, I felt as if the OS was trying to force me to work in a way I don’t want to. OS X is a _great_ operating system – miles ahead of Windows XP any day. Beautiful, elegant (well, mostly), and secure, I recommend it wholeheartedly to anyone who thinks the way it does. As for me, I won’t be running it any time soon.
September 21st, 2006 at 5:11 pm
43Everyone. Checkout windowsizer for windows. The program is a gem. I’m almost done with the trial and there is nothing like this for the mac.
* Instantly re-arrange your open windows into a tiled layout
* Re-sizing one window automatically resizes adjacent windows
* Re-launch applications and websites in your preferred positions
This is not an advertisement. Just someone who thinks this is a god-send.
September 21st, 2006 at 5:31 pm
44None of this makes sense once you are beyond the beginner stage and customize your system. I use Windows XP and have my system set up with a small-icon toolbar docked along the left side. I size all my application windows so that they fill the exposed desktop area but don’t cover either this toolbar or the taskbar (this area is roughly the same aspect ratio as a blank monitor display, since I carve a little out of both the side and bottom). Since applications remember their window sizes, every application I open fits nicely on the desktop yet doesn’t cover either my taskbar or toolbar. I can always switch from one window to another by clicking on the appropriate taskbar icon (which contains running programs) or using Alt-Tab. I split the toolbar into system, folder and application sections so that I never need to leave anything on the desktop. This way, no window ever obscures anything, requiring me to minimize all my windows for access. It’s all very efficient and I can generally take full advantage of most of my screen real estate and resolution with each application.
David
September 21st, 2006 at 5:32 pm
45Apple: please, somehow and somewhere, add a way of maximizing windows to OSX
September 21st, 2006 at 5:42 pm
46I use windows and I have a Ctrl+Alt+Keyboard Key shortcuts for all my programs that I use often. Example: Ctrl+Alt+X = Excel, etc. My desktop is clean, no icons and I access everything fast and with ease. I wish MS would provide an xml configuration file for this so I don’t have to re-set it up on every new computer I use. People that watch me work are amazed by the speed, especially cutting, pasting in notepad and switching between programs. This is key for me to switch to any other OS.
September 21st, 2006 at 5:56 pm
47I’m an Apple user and I find that I don’t go full-screen on my OS X machines but I will go full-screen on my Windows workstation (at work). Of course, I use Synergy (http://synergy2.sourceforge.net) and my Powerbook is my main workspace with my Windows machine being a supplement to access things that require IE, etc.
Since my Windows machine serves a single purpose, maximizing windows there doesn’t hurt my productivity. On my Macintosh, I _must_ have the ability for overlapping because I’m doing so much with so many different applications.
September 21st, 2006 at 6:27 pm
48Well not everyone on Windows lives in a one-task environment…
Right now on my desktop I have 4 command shells, my development IDE, my editor of choice, outlook, firefox and several explorer windows. I have winamp docked to the top with the playlist docked to the right, winamp and the startbar are auto-hidden. Today is a light day…
I rarely use the maximise button for exactly the reason suggested and I can’t work in a single-task environment (I used to use a desktop with multiple monitors, it’s hard enough with the little desktop space I have without wasting it all on one app) and Windows doesn’t exactly do a lot to support the way I work. Maybe the expand to doc-dimensions makes more sense.
Personal windows apps gripe: pop-ups can be useful and informative… but please, please stop grabbing the f%$king focus.
Popup towards an edge away from the mouse.
Don’t take focus unless you are the focused app
If at all practical have a timeout that will allow the window to auto-close (accessible from a recent messages facility in the app in question – perhaps an OS recent messages facility would be nice to centralise this).
Sigh… No windowing system is perfect and I’m not convinced that Windows is significantly less perfect than others but it still falls way short of what I expect from a properly usable system.
September 21st, 2006 at 6:34 pm
49Your link doesnât work.
September 21st, 2006 at 7:11 pm
50I’m primarily a windows user. Have a dual or triple screen setup at work (depends which office) and a single 24 inch at home.
At work only one of my windows ever has a full-screened item. Its my email (business user so email is priority). All my other screens have custom sized windows.
I find that I would most likely welcome a 4th button that does what Mac does on Windows and vice versa. I do get frustrated on Macs when i can’t full screen, but find it more manageble on Windows when i need a custom size.
Only other software that i full screen is applications with multiple windows/tasks within the primary window (Photoshop 7 as an example).
I would think that for leisure activity on a computer the Mac approach would be more suitable, multitasking chat windows, browser windows etc. But when you are trying to accomplish a single task (that you’re getting paid for) the maximize button helps rid all the distractions.
September 21st, 2006 at 7:23 pm
51My main home machine runs Linux with KDE (Kubuntu) at 1600×1200 on a single monitor. I normally run with overlapping windows (and multiple desktops).
If I want to maximize something, It’s set up so I have 3 options.
1. Left-click the maximize button for full-screen (like MS Windows).
2. Middle-click the maximize button for vertical maximize.
3. Right-clicking maximizes horizontally.
Repeating your action returns the window to the original size.
September 21st, 2006 at 8:53 pm
52In graphics applications, I’ll choose to use every inch of the screen, thank you very much. I see no point in limiting my view just to keep an eye on the other open applications. I can alt-tab my way to them whenever I need to.
September 21st, 2006 at 9:23 pm
53I’m happy to use the entire screen, or only part of the screen for my tasks. However, the one thing that I really want from my screen resizing controls is the ability to use keyboard shortcuts.
I use mac and windows PCs, and frankly I’d prefer to keep my hands on the keyboard all the time if i could, especially when browsing the internet.
I can use the keyboard on both OSs to a)minimize(windows) or hide(mac) the open application
b)switch between open applications alt(command)-tab
c)open or close applications with start menu(windows) and spotlight(mac)
However, while I can maximize, minimize, or restore in windows using alt-space, there is no command for the +,- buttons on mac windows. Otherwise i could care less about seeing the whole screen or just fitting to the contents of the window.
Still a mac fan though.
September 22nd, 2006 at 5:52 am
54A question to you people who can’t live without multiple, varyingly sized dialogs; what are you doing?
I’ve been a software developer for 15 years and since Windows v1, after playing around for fun for a while, I can’t remember regularly really needing multiple applications visible at once. Are you maybe monitoring several CCTV feeds? Keeping an eye on market alerts from half-a-dozen third party applications? Needing to react to possible instant messaging from several people in a split second? *shrug*
A lot of TVs starting getting picture-in-picture years back and I still don’t know anyone that keeps an eye on one channel while ‘watching’ another.
And anyway – on the odd occasion you want to do that in Windows, it is quickly and easily possible.
It seems to me in Windows you can easily work with smaller tiled/overlapped dialogs if you want but in OSX you can’t easily work full-screen.
Which is the superior interface, then?
September 22nd, 2006 at 2:27 pm
55The – button is cmd-M, for minimise. Itself a grievance as that was a common and useful shortcut in 9 …
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:12 am
56Alt+Tab is one of the most useful features ever Mac adopted from Windows. I use it about 1000 times a day. I haven’t seen my desktop for years. If you’re still think that clicking on overlapping windows is what enables “multi-tasking”, you’re stuck in the 80’s. Once in a while I need to compare or cut’n'paste between two documents side by side, but that’s about it.
September 29th, 2006 at 5:03 am
57I am a Linux/Windows user who has used a Mac at work for a while. I am shortly going to buy a Mac Mini, but initially I was hesitant, since I really missed the maximize feature.
But since I am a programmer and Apple so kindly makes XCode available for free I wrote a small program (with much help from the carbon-dev list) that maximizes windows.
The program is very short, but works very well if I may say so. It takes the menu and the dock into consideration when maximizing.
Currently the program activates when the user presses a hard-coded hotkey (Command-Option-M).
I will release this program with source code sometime in the near future, but before I do this, I’d like to polish it a bit. Should the hotkey be redefinable? Should there be an option to ignore the menubar and/or the dock? Should I work harder to try to find a way to make it usable with the mouse?
For the hackingly inclined among you, read the carbon-dev list at lists.apple.com for the maximizing code.
October 8th, 2006 at 2:27 pm
58I have a mac mini, and a pc that i built runnin g side by side on an ab monitor switch. I don’t usually maximize my pc windows, and i have never used the green button on the mac
October 11th, 2006 at 9:33 am
59Well, well, the interest doesn’t seem to be that great ;)
We’ll see about that release then…
October 15th, 2006 at 10:09 pm
60i am using windows XP and planing to upgrage to winndows Vista… i absolutly hat apple computers they are so shit
October 19th, 2006 at 3:29 pm
61“…the human brain was not designed for multitasking.”
Then you should never drive a car….
October 19th, 2006 at 3:46 pm
62Thanks for the comment, Ben. But that statement was taken in the context of doing heavily intellectual stuff. Driving a car is a mix of that and mechanical acts. I mean, I don’t have to do a lot of thinking to coordinate my hands and feet while steering, braking, etc.
But I sure have to use a lot of brain power if I were writing an article. And I probably couldn’t write an article and draw a portrait at the same time without doing either (or both) badly.
This is why people are advised against taking phone calls (or typing SMS!) while driving.
October 20th, 2006 at 10:34 am
63Graphics peeps, Photoshop in particular.
Did you ever hit “f” or “tab” whilst using photoshop. I use it all the time. Tab toggles all of the pallettes on and off and “f” goes through three states, windowed, fullscreen with just the menu bar and a grey background & finally just the image with a black background. I work this way ALL THE TIME. I use my keyboard a lot.
I kinda prefer the Mac for this because if I have multiple images open I can hit Command-”tilde” to switch between photos. You can’t do that on windows.
I work with Windows during the day and have the Macs at home. I never maximize in Windows and only ever use the green button in iTunes on my Mac. I have my windows at work sized the way I want so I can always see iTunes or VLC. I hate always on top because I can’t have any part of AutoCAD covered without losing something usefull.
As far as web browsing is concerned, full screen is just plain silly. I’ll admit being able to resize windows in XP with any window border is cool, often times I’ll have the context cursor for stretching a window border but when I click I end up switching to whatever is in the background. On my Mac I hit the plus button and I get the window to fit exactly to the width of the page. I like that better, and thus don’t need to go stretching window borders.
As for 3D graphics, well, I use blender on Windows and Mac and it goes full screen. So does the Version of Maya PLE I have actually. I never needed to maximize either of these apps on my Mac. They are more conducent to full screen use so the programmers make them that way. I wonder if that guy ever used Maya on a Mac before.
October 21st, 2006 at 3:31 pm
64Peter,
I’d be very interested in this app. When I’m using a Mac I always drag the window so that it takes up the whole screen, but this usually ends up conflicting with the dock in small but annoying ways.
Interesting to read the different viewpoints on here. I’d never really had achance to understand why someone wouldn’t maximise a window, probably because I have never had a screen bigger than 12 inches. Even at work though when I see people with lots of windows overlapping it feels cluttered. Using a PC I like that I can always glance at the taskbar and tell not only what applications are open, but which specific documents too (using words no less). On the Mac I can mouse over to the dock and see what applications are running (but this isn’t real useful since it doesn’t give me any idea of which programs are actually running with content vs. programs that have had all of the windows closed but have not been exited). Expose was a nice enhancement for sure, but ended up not being as useful as I thought it would be compared to the Windows taskbar. In Windows I can always look at the bottom of the screen and see which documents I have open (it can get cluttered when you have lots of things open, but usually I can tell what something is based on just the first letter or two). On the Mac I first have to activate expose, and since I usually have a lot of documents that look alike open I still have to study each one closely to figure out which is the one I want.
There is a lot I like about OS X (and even more I dislike about Windows) but for me it is pretty much all about the maximize button.
(Written from a Mac)
November 3rd, 2006 at 4:53 pm
65The human brain is absolutely designed for multi-tasking. Ever walk and chew gum at the same time? Type on a keyboard and talk on the phone. How about jog, watch the road, and have a conversation. And what all of that is going on, your brain is making your heart beat, regulating your fluids, blood, oxygen. At the same time the body is getting feedback through millions of nerves and muscles, then instantly making adjustments allowing you to balance and stay stable as you change speed over less than perfect surface. Additionally the brain is taking in thousands of outside stimuli in the form of sounds, smells, images, processing these at amazing speed while turning them into something usable.
That fact that a human can take a single step is a lot of things going on at a time. I’d say that’s a lot of multi-processing.
November 3rd, 2006 at 5:01 pm
66I want another button in the mac to maximize the window. I hate that I have to drag it out on my own.Mostly true in the finder.
Apple needs to at least have a bunch of hidden keys to allow added options, such as command+green = fill screen with window.
these do work…
Option+red = close all windows
options+green = arrange all windows (this works well in the finder, but not many other apps)
November 30th, 2006 at 4:55 pm
67I work on windows (dual screen), I got a MacBook and I’m trying to migrate because windows suck (not looking forward for Vista). The good thing about maximizing windows is, for example, in Macromedia apps or Photoshop you get all the panels within the window,clean and organized, easy to use; but in mac the panels get confusing with other windows behind them; I find it anoying and untidy.
Expose rocks, thats true, but they should make these kind of apps with a button to maximize and keep all panel inside the app window.
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February 16th, 2007 at 7:34 am
69Just my thoughts on the subject… if you go to an art gallery do they put a painting on a background of numerous colours/shapes? no! because you brain cannot cope with all the different things at once. Iam frustrated with macs, when i open pdfs they are rediculouly small text and i have to drag open the window and zoom in. I dont have that trouble in windows. I find it incredibly hard to find the window i just minimised behind the mess of other windows. At the end of the day i think windows and macs are trying too hard to been different from one another and end up with crap bits for the sake of it. Linux is so much better they use all the good bits and don’t worry that much about being cool. The mac iam on at the moment may look good all shiney and white but the stupid usbs,power button etc is on the back !!!!! design over usability need i say more… rant over :) ps good article
February 27th, 2007 at 12:58 pm
70i think that the actual look and feel of the mac is better than windows xp. but i hate the position of the close minimise and the maximise buttons on the mac, and they are too small. i personally use vista ultimate which looks better than the mac, its easier to use and more secure than the mac.
March 3rd, 2007 at 3:50 am
71There is a program called STOPLIGHT that lets you make OSX maximise properly, if you want, on a per application basis if you want. Should be just what you guys need. It’s free. Personally, I never use it. How many people have used CMD + Tilde? (the key above tab) It’s like CMD TAB (ALT TAB for windows users) but for the documents open in the current app. So, CMD Tab swaps between all running programs. CMD TILDE ( ` symbol ) swaps between all documents in the current program. So very handy, i use it all the time. holding shift reverses direction of course. On a large screen I don’t need maximise, and for the apps where it is needed, they have a full screen mode anyway. When i squeeze the mouse, that invokes expose but i don’t use that too much. On the mac you can set up your own keyboard shortcuts for any menu function in any application. I’ve done this so that CMD+OPTION+X (combo can be done with mashing that part of the keyboard quickly with your thumb) does the green button zoom function. I use this on the web, where each window gets maximised to the web pages’ own width, and the full height of the screen if the page is taller. I hate seeing a page in the middle of a 20″ screen on a PC becuase the site was designed for 1024 pixel width. I guess it works both ways.
To the person who said about widescreens, i think they are far better for office tasks. My mum has poor eyesight, and can zoom to page width and everything is so much larger, where as i can see a pair of A4 pages side by side including tool bars. In word, this results in pages being viewed at 117%, so it’s very readable.
March 11th, 2007 at 3:10 pm
72I love it how people are actually trying to spin a shortcoming as an advantage. I love the mac aesthetic, and strong emphasis on style and design. But not allowing people to maximize a window is redonkurus. Saying you don’t need the maximize capability is like saying you don’t need air conditioning or power steering in a car, it’s technically true, but entirely nonsensical.
It’s like being so resentful of Microsoft that your judgment goes completely blind, kind of like saying you don’t need a two button mouse, or a scroll wheel, or the cut and past functionality. C’mon just suck it up, stop giving us useless graphical masturbation like Coverflow without giving us the opportunity to maximize.
March 15th, 2007 at 7:19 pm
73I maximize almost 100% of the time on my applications (except maybe notepad).
When I use a mac it’s the thing that bugs me because I am so used to having my application on the whole screen (less the taskbar).
I have nothing against macs or those who use them productively, but they are just not for me because they don’t offer me anything that windows doesn’t give me.
Even if I could use all my custom software on a mac (which does not work) I really have no incentive to use a mac over windows since I like maximized applications at all times.
I have installed cloned versions of the dock, expose, and widgets on my pc, but I found I really had no need for them and I would gladly give them all up for my taskbar.
Again if you love the mac, keep at it.
March 15th, 2007 at 7:23 pm
74I know alot of people are going to argue multitasking and it’s ‘advantages’ on mac.
Sure you can have all these windows/applications open and see them all with things like expose (there are windows programs to do the same), but honestly MOST applications today allow you to multitask within the application itself.
Take a program like a webpage editor. You have everything you need to multitask inside that editor all at once with multiple windows open switching from code, to preview, to editing css, to whatever.
If I see an email come in, I can just hit a button (regardless of os) and retrieve it. My mail program doesn’t have to have a designated spot on my screen around the application I’m running for me to multitask (1 button click both os can do it).
To each his own.
March 24th, 2007 at 3:20 pm
75I see a need for both and it is a shame that neither Mac nor Windows have realized the advantages of providing both.
Because I am easily distracted, I need and often use windows ability to completely fill the screen with a single window (even at the 1440×900 resolution I currently use). It helps me to stay focused on a single task.
I also frequently need to right-size windows to the documents with which I am working so that I can display them simultaneously and interact between them.
So, why not four buttons? — Minimize, Manual Size, Auto Size, Maximize.
March 25th, 2007 at 12:31 pm
76I trust Linux.
I like Mac.
I use Windows.
July 23rd, 2008 at 10:19 am
77The reason Apple has it that way is so that…
1. They don’t copy Microsoft…
2. It makes the window the largest it can be so why does it matter so much?
………………..
July 29th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
78Thanks for not doing the…
Macs awesome
Vista Sucks
OR
Vista’s Awesome
Mac Sucks
You showed both sides fairly. I am a windows user once I get $1Million I’ll buy one. No seriously I like Macs it’s just I don’t have 4Grand Laying around in my back pocket. I like Windows because it’s more business. Mac is the real definition of a [P]ersonal [C]omputer.
Hope you write more articles like this, so I can decide if I really (and many other people) want of Mac (or Windows)
September 25th, 2008 at 12:03 am
79I think it’s a silly argument – that the OSX interface is designed to be used with multiple windows, side by side, etc. If that’s the case, then they’re really shooting themselves in the foot if they’re trying to say they have a good idea. If they want things to be used side by side, they wouldn’t make a single application’s menu accessible at a time. If I’m supposed to be able to use Terminal and Safari side by side quickly, why can’t I hit the other’s menu without first focusing on its window?
Mac is great and all, but trying to pawn off their silly window UI by saying it’s supposed to aid in multitasking is taking the piss. You can’t even tell when you’re in the “User” size mode versus the “Developer’s Recommendation” size mode. That’s just silly. I’ve yet to read a good argument for their methods of dealing with window sizing and menus.
November 16th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
80I know this is ages old, someone mentioned the Task Bar/Application Launcher Bar in Windows, which shows apps running and another area for apps not running… as opposed to Mac where you just click on 1 icon. Just wanted to say Windows 7 will be having that.
One more thing I wanted to mention is, nowadays I don’t say this or that OS is copying, I think if Mac does something cool (a lot of stuff, like the Expose, the Dash Board in the background, the Preview, the multiple desktops (which is old, I know), etc…) then I think, hopefully Windows will get it, and vice versa.
Simple solution to the debate… add a 4th button for maximizing to full-screen
November 17th, 2008 at 8:53 am
81After years of PC use (but ironically even before PCs my experience was with an Apple II(e?)) I purchased a MacBook. I agree with the original poster that the human brain is not designed for multi-tasking; at best we snipe at a series of tasks until one, or more, is completed. Inefficient and prone to causing errors. Regardless, I too digress.
I’ve used various software apps, and dumb terminals, that allow multiple open “windows” but when working on a task I prefer the task at hand to occupy the entire available display. Does that mean I “lost sight of the big picture”? No. It means I am not distracted from the task at hand.
November 21st, 2008 at 1:04 pm
82Correct me if I’m wrong…isn’t there enough room to simply add another button? one that would fill the entire screen with one window? we are talking about a computer program that can be changed, who said there can only be three buttons?? I also find the little circles to small to actually be functional anyway.
December 23rd, 2008 at 8:48 am
83I always liked macs – actually switch just over a year ago though. I just use the mega zoom hack though (google SIMBIL and get the megazoom plugin) when want it. Also, cmd-~ is a godsend in Xcode. However, it appears that on many apps, the + does pretty much a maximize. I’d like to see it go back to it’s original 10.0 implemtation. 10.0 had the + hide every other window on the screen, and switching windows would minimize the unused window. That was an excellent idea IMO
February 2nd, 2009 at 10:38 am
84NO!…We will not let you have one click access to full screen for any window!!
NO!…We will not let you have one click access to full screen for any window!!
NO!…We will not let you have one click access to full screen for any window!!
NO!…We will not let you have one click access to full screen for any window!!
NO!…We will not let you have one click access to full screen for any window!!
NO!…We will not let you have one click access to full screen for any window!!
February 27th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
85I will betcha anything that most mac users, were they able to, would max to full screen at least some of the time. They do not have this ability though, so they defend their mac’s inability to do it. Windows can tile, and you can resize to however you want it. It remembers your resizing for your next session! With one click, your back to normal again. Buying a Mac means you have to do it their way or no way.
How can it possibly be that the people who normally clamor to be individuals in our society – i.e. creative, liberal, think outside the box people, (like me) chose to use the very platform that does NOT allow you to be an individual?
This does not makes sense. Mac OS is a fascist dictatorial system.
March 6th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
86What are you talking about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OF COURSE THE HUMAN BRAIN WAS MENT FOR MULTI-TASKING!!!!!
March 17th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
87I just bought a Mac Mini after being a hardcore PC user (and programmer) for decades and I love it.
But the maximize is annoying as hell. Instead of maximizing I’m constantly minimizing my windows because I’m used to double clicking on the title bar. I’ll just have to learn to use the OS properly.
I also usually maximize to desktop for my browser ON MY SECOND MONITOR! So, I think thats a bit of a paradigm switch and should be addressed.
Though I should say I have noticed that maximizing height with the browser but not width has been much more useful than thought even if the weird “maximize” is very annoying at first because as any good human I hate change.
March 17th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
88Oh and ignore the douchbag that said to Google SIMBIL. That’s just some a-hole that wants you to go to his lame azz facepage. There is no such thing as megazoom.
If it existed the idiot would have given an actual link instead of BS’ing about some fake app.
May 14th, 2009 at 10:56 am
891) A significant number of people would like to see a maximise button/command/short-cut for windows in apple’s interface.
2) Maximise is very useful for laptops or PCs with smaller monitors (i.e. the majority of computer users).
3) This is my number one reason for not purchasing a mac and I always mention it to people considering buying a mac. Mostly this puts them off.
4) I can see only one reason for not allowing this option – stubbornness. (I think the same about the one button mouse).
5) It just needs to be an option, you don’t have to use it and then everybody is happy! It is that simple.
June 4th, 2009 at 12:06 am
90when windows are overlapping and there’s not a thick enough frame around windows (MAC) it’s easy to mistakenly click on a window in the background. I hate it. maximize forever!
June 11th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
91I don’t understand why apple doesn’t simply rise above the argument and provide a little option in the appropriate preference window to let users choose how they want this button to work. That’s it… argument eliminated, users happy, less friction for new converts, done.
I am 100% mac but this still bothers me. I maximize to eliminate distractions while I work on certain programs. If I want the browser window to be the size of the site, I’ll, on those rare occasions, resize the window myself.
WhyTF impose something like this?
June 11th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
92I’m gonna sound very odd here, but here goes… I use Macs and PCs all the time. At home though, I try to use my Amiga as much as I can (reading this on it), and all along it has had a similar approach to Mac – not having a maximise button, instead having a “zoom” button. However, AmigaOS also gives the option to maximise by holding down shift as you click on the zoom button. It was be awfully easy for Apple to add that function and keep people happy! However, with applications like MS Office and Photoshop having toolbars etc. in their own windows, this could cause trouble with your toolbars disappearing behind the document. I guess it’s something the user would get used to quickly though.
As an aside, another thing I miss when I go to both Windows and Mac is the ability to overlap windows including the window that has focus. For example, I can have my browser maximised and be using it, yet still have a text document or something open and visible over part of the browser’s window. Instead of automatically jumping to the front, I double-click to bring a window to the front. You’d be amazed at how useful it can actually be!
June 18th, 2009 at 11:09 am
93On the Mac, you can hold down the OPTION key while clicking on the green maximize button to maximize an individual window to full screen. Note that this doesn’t work in all applications, but it works in MOST applications. It works in about 90% of the applications I’ve tried.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
94I tend to have most of my Windows maximised. It all depends on what I’m doing. I keep my IM Windows the same size they are and then when I recieve a message I plop it on the screen where I can still see what I’m doing, maybe sizing it down a bit to fit while I allow it to sit there, when that window doesnt need my attention anymore I click back over to what I was doing. and then when the window needs my attention again, it’ll be plopped it that spot and I can still see what I was reading/doing so I dont get distracted.
July 17th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
95not one single comment mentions RightZoom, http://lifehacker.com/5240827/rightzoom-makes-the-os-x-maximize-button-more-like-windows
August 21st, 2009 at 1:40 am
96Scott Rose – all this absolutely uninformed discussion completely negated by your post. Just bought our macbook pro and were about to return it but now we won’t. Can’t believe no one knew this or that apple doesn’t feature it in their sales/advertising/manual…..
August 22nd, 2009 at 4:24 am
97Looks like most people would prefer a true full screen maximise. The silly thing with the way the mac works is that the size of the content constantly changes in some apps (mainly web browser) and resizing it to what the current page happens to require is just plain silly.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:11 am
98MS Windows tip: For those of you who don’t know…
ALT+TAB switches between applications
CTRL+TAB switches between windows/documents within an application
Further to this, adding SHIFT to either key combo does the same in both cases, but reverses the direction – so you can go back and forth at will.
SHIFT also reverses the TAB function when navigating text entry areas in forms, or buttons on a website for example.
So now no Mac users can complain that there isn’t an equivalent to the CMD+TAB combo.
Hope this helps :-)
(Incidentally, I use both Windows and Mac OS and find many things about the Mac UI extremely frustrating. Maximise and menus, mostly. If only the UI was as customisable as Windows, then I could choose the behaviour I prefer/require and get on with my bloody work!)
August 29th, 2009 at 6:57 am
99I agree Stuee, I find the Max OS X UI very frustrating. I want to be able to maximise my windows instead of having to drag and resize every time.
September 19th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
100You can maximize to a full screen in mac, just use the zoom command under the view pulldown, or the keystroke shortcut, then click the green plus sign to resize your window to fit the zoomed window. If you don’t like everything being magnified, you can go back under the view command and set it back to normal size, but the ‘window’ will stay full screen. Sounds complicated, but it’s really easy, even for me as I’ve only been using my new macbook for a few hours, and have come from decades of using a PC. I have to say, it’s a learning curve, but a satisfying breath of fresh air too!
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