5 Reasons to Kill and to Support Ice Weasel
Thursday, Oct. 12 2006
| Author: Griffith
One of today’s main topics on Digg is the argument on whether Debian and GNU should release their own Firefox fork or not. Two different bloggers seized the opportunity and created their own lists of reasons for why IceWeasel should and shouldn’t be created.
Here are the five reasons for killing IceWeasel (and my personal comment afterwards):
- Firefox has public awareness. – true, to a certain extent
- Firefox works – also true, but IceWeasel is basically a Firefox distro with only a different name and logo (and a couple of security fixes)
- Youâre only pitting FLOSS against FLOSS – true, it will help diminish Firefox’s share a bit
- Doesnât the GNU organisation have better things to do? – well, they are geeks… (I’m kidding)
- Seriously now. IceWeasel? – Ok, so I’m not crazy about the name either, but is this really a reason? Would the blogger change his opinion if it were named Frost Tiger or something?
And here are the 5 reasons to support it:
- Debian doesnât have to meet the unreasonable – According to the author: “Debian applies lots of patches so that Firefox is better suited to the Debian environment, this is only a good thing.”
- Itâs an improved Firefox – there are two security fixes, I’ll let you be the judge of this “reason”
- Itâs completely free – well, last time I downloaded Firefox…
- Itâs important for GNU – according to the author – “GNU canât just throw away Mozillaâs mostly free software and not take advantage of it by stripping it of the non-free stuff and distributing a fully free browser.” sounds reasonable I guess
- IceWeasel looks and sounds good – once again, a matter of personal taste, the two authors seem to be more concerned about the name of the browser than what it will actually result from it’s release.
Personally, I think that the two sides have good arguments however, I also think that they have some terrible ones that feel like they were “forced” onto the list just to fill up the 5 reasons they wanted.
In my opinion, I think that the IceWeasel’s logo is much more amusing than Firefox’s:
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12 Responses for "5 Reasons to Kill and to Support Ice Weasel"
October 12th, 2006 at 4:40 pm
1Can you at least read the first sentence of your article again before posting it?
October 12th, 2006 at 5:10 pm
2I’m sorry, I got mixed up in my own words and ended up missing it completely when I posted (I was also in a bit of a hurry).
I made a new first paragraph which should be much easier to understand. I thank you for your input and your preference in our blog.
October 12th, 2006 at 6:13 pm
3is the little animal fucking planet earth?
October 12th, 2006 at 6:32 pm
4it can’t be Frost Tiger – I think World of Warcraft got that name :P
October 12th, 2006 at 6:34 pm
5I believe that the term used by the person who originally posted it was “humping”, but yes, in a more slang’ish term he is doing that. But mind you, that gif is a mockery of what one of the proposed icons looks like (basically, it was given animation over the original one).
October 12th, 2006 at 6:42 pm
6Oh sorry but I am sure almost everybody will think: that beast ist f***** something. It was even my first thought. And for that part – my girlfriend asked straight away: what is that thing doin?? (with that special voice you know ;))
October 12th, 2006 at 7:52 pm
7I personally quite like the name and I don’t see how a bunch of Debian/Ubuntu geeks (I am one of these) can effect the number of windows or mac users or the perception in this market. I also think that if rendering engine is used as a metric, or if Iceweasel reports itself as Firefox, the stats wont be effected either.
So all in all I’m for it, seeing as the name is the only thing effecting my decision and the rest of the arguments in the against list seem just plain stupid.
As for the weasel humping the Earth, I don’t think this is a serious icon, but it would make a fantastic throbber. Might make it harder to get mum to switch to Ubuntu tho.
October 12th, 2006 at 8:45 pm
8Why get frustrated in Firefox’s accomplishments and release Icekitten (or was it weasel?) just out of jealousy?
If you have security fixes, improve Firefox, don’t try to bring up another (ANOTHER) browser sharing the same goals…
October 13th, 2006 at 4:58 am
9what about
http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/community-edition-policy.html
October 13th, 2006 at 6:37 am
10As far as I understand, the community edition allows custom builds with different options, but not modified/patched code which is what Debian people want to do.
October 14th, 2006 at 6:49 pm
11is it me or is he humping the earth?
January 14th, 2007 at 1:42 am
12Why is everyone jumping on Debians back for this change when it is Firefox’s decision. Debian would of been more than happy to let it slide, Firefox developers were the ones with the problem of Debian stripping the ‘fox’ off the globe icon and applying patches without their consent. Sounds like since Firefox is getting more market share they are getting a little bit of M$ “Bill” syndrome.
I can understand it to some degree from both sides as Firefox wants “needs” to protect the name and more importantly Debian needs to keep everything open source and free (aka Not RedHat or Suse or …) (Which the error reporting in Firefox is NOT)
I can see the path of Linux distros caving in to “Binary only, but freely distributable software” Until things like this happen and it sets the OSS community back further…. It’s important to fork the code ASAP and stay with BSD or GPL v2 licensing.
Don’t even get me started on ATI and NVidia and their neglect to OSS.
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