My friend received this email and I thought I would post it here since it seems like the kind of thing a lot of people would be interested in, but wouldn’t be aware of.
Harvard is offering free tuition for students that have a family
income below $40,000. If you are a mentor or have nieces and nephews
who might be interested, please give them this information. If you
know any one/family earning less than $40K with a brilliant child near
ready for college, please pass this along.Harvard’s Tuition Announcement Highlights Failure of Prestigious
Universities to Enroll Low-Income Students March 1, 2004, Harvard
University announced over the weekend that from now on undergraduate
students from low-income families will pay no tuition. In making the
announcement, Harvard’s president Lawrence H. Summers said, “When only
10 percent of the students in Elite higher education come from
families in lower half the income distribution, we are not doing
enough. We are not doing enough in bringing elite higher education to
the lower half of the income distribution.”If you know of a family earning less than $40,000 a year with an honor
student graduating from high school soon, Harvard University wants to
pay the tuition. The prestigious university recently announced that
from now on undergraduate students from low-income families can go to
Harvard for free…no tuition and no student loans! To find out more
about Harvard offering free tuition for families making less than
$40,000 a year visit Harvard’s financial aid web site at:
http://adm-is.fas.harvard.edu/FAO/index.htm or call the school’s financial aid office at (617) 495- 1581. EEO Office, Richmond, VA
MY names fartuuun, iam somalian , iwant to help me to continou my study .
iwan to give me shoralship if you can ,because iacn’t to get money to study
iwould like to ask you if you can to give me scoralship study
iam waittting good result
Well i’m barely 14 amd all i know is that i will somehow make it to harvard and be somone in my life time not no mcdonald french fry maker person i’m isaac samuel barrera and all i know is that with the help of god and my genetic smartness i’ll make it
MY name is fartuun and iam somalian.
Ireally want to learn your school, ifinished high school as a arabic , inever began university because ican’t .
Iwant to help be to continou my study
I really don’t see the problem with such a program.
Im pretty sure that some of the high income population were not brought up rich, they simply knew how to apply themselves and focus on their goals.
Intellect is not found in someone’s “genetics”. I myself do not live in what people would call an “upscale nieghborhood” and i manage to have a 4.0.
You know guys, there is no need staying hungry because one doesn’t like the food he can afford. Harvard is not a kind of New Jerusalem or something. It is very possible that not everybody will or can go to that place. Anyone who has a locally affordable school around him/her should get enrolled and learn.
Education is Education. King Solomon and David never went to such a place but wisdom never escaped them. A wise man is a wise man everywhere he goes.
It is rather unfortunate that most people can’t afford education nowadays. That however shouldn’t discourage anybody for life is a matter of planning. Take time to make use of what you can afford while you work for what you wish to achieve.
“All things work for good for those who love God”
BY NAME IS HENOK AND I AM FROM ETHIOPIA. I REALLY WANT TO LEARN IN YOUR SCHOOL. I WAS FOLLOWING UP EVERY DETAIL TO ENTER TO YOUR SCHOOL BUT I CANT AFFOR IT.PLEASE HELP ME TO CONTIUNE IN YOUR SCHOOL.PLEASE I BEG.
well my names are Okereke Francis, I am a Nigerian, an undergraduate. i cant further my education due to lack of funds. And i have always wanted to go the university to study Economics, and also help train my younger ones. I really want to further my Education bacause i got brains, but its not been really possible. I know i would be a potential to your school and to Africa if i study Econmics. Please i really need your help. I am a chosen thank you and God bless
I am an orphan from uganda currently in seniour five and offering physics, chemistry, biology and mathrmatics. I was the tenth in our school in the uganda certificate of education certificate with 17 in 8 and believe that I would have performed better if it were not of my under
priviledged situation arising from being an orphan so I kindly request for your consideration in in enrollment into your prestigious university on scolarship I hope my application may be put into consideration
i will like to commend the harvard authority for thier gesture in providing university education for the less privileged. However,a m fatherless and i want to pursue my education pls kindly help in saving my dream so that i will be usefull to my country and to help my siblings. pls help me
Iam a single mother, with low income living in Malawi. have 2 girls wo have just completed their first degrees . Please Iam applying if you can consider them for a master degree scholarlarship in in your University.
I will be forever be grateful for your consideration. The names of the girls are Heather and Isabelle Musasa.
I STUDY HND IN MARKETING AND SECOND CLASS UPPER WISH TO STUDY BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION MARKETING OPTION AT HAVARD
cliche is an ignorant person
There are dozens of tuition free colleges and tuition free universities in the USA and Europe – but few people know about them. There’s a free site that lists them all including contact info – check out http://tuitionfreecolleges.mtnhome.org/
I READ SOCIOLOGY AT UNIVERSITY OF ILORIN, NIGERIA AND I MADE THIRD CLASS DIVISION. I WISH TO STUDY BUSINESS MANAGEMENT IN HARVARD BUT I DON’T HAVE MONEY TO DO THIS BECAUSE MY PARENT ARE NOT FINANCIALLY UPRIGHT. PLEASE HELP ME TO BENEFIT FROM YOUR FREE TUITION OF YOUR HIGHLY RATED UNIVERSITY OF HARVARD. THANKS
I READ BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION AT THE FEDERAL POLYTECHNIC OFFA, KWARA STATE, NIGERIA AND I MADE UPPER CREDIT(HND). I WISH TO STUDY BUSINESS MANAGEMENT IN HARVARD BUT I DON’T HAVE MONEY TO DO THIS BECAUSE MY FATHER HAS NO MONEY TO SPONSOR ME. PLEASE HELP ME TO BENEFIT FROM YOUR FREE TUITION OF YOUR HIGHLY RATED UNIVERSITY OF HARVARD. THANKS
I observed that Harvard University sponsors top research in U.S which affects the World..Well I think I have a good topic area for them.
I want to learn in your school but i am poor.
if you allowed to me give me scholarship in your school please.
my address
Nurhussen
p.o.box 1772
Nazareth
Ethiopia
Please I want help by Havard so as to have my degree program
I am a young man who had to drop out half way through college education because my family could afford it. I believe this step by Harvard will help people like myself with useful potential.
I actually admire Havard University.
I am a Tanzanian wishing to know if Havard sponsor the poor but intelligent africans throughout their studies be it at Havard or elsewhere.
I only dream to study at Havard but the reality is negative.
its nice to know dat ur school can run a free tuition prog.been one of the best schools in the world.
i am a nigerian who paid his way thru. my university.it was not easy but thnk God i scaled thru. i wish to further but have challenge of finance.i graduated with a second class upper division in banking&finance also had the best final exam award of 4.86. i am focused,intelligent and organized.if given this rare opportunity of free tuition in ur school i promise to use every knowledge gained to the benefit of mankind.
hm..this is good for me. I’m smart but i live with only my mom who makes not even $10,000
| BAKARE HABIB ABIODUN
Am a less priviledge Ugandan Graduate with a Bachelor of Sceince in Quantitative Economics from Makerere University that would like to study Masters in Economics/Demography and Social Statistics in harvad university and i would like to be helped so that my education attainment can be a reality.
I am Grade 12 student in Dilla Secondary Schoolin the country of Ethiopia.I have a large inspiration oa getting pure education.Because I am not getting now.Thay is why iam asking You.
When we the harvade university start there session and how are we foreign student be able to register with them.
Am a less priviledge nigeria child that want to study in harvad university and dot know the step to take pls kindly mail me the step am going to take so that my education attainment can be a reality.Sir, i will also like to knowthe pre requisite for admission into harvard free undergraduate programme for the less privilege.
heyheyhey
pls i will like to know how someone like me who is a nigerian get to apply for the scholarship or is it only for american citizens..cos i really need a financial assisitance to futher my education up to the graduste level…why am saying this is that we have like 4 of my siblings in the university and its really affecting me , cos my parents income is really low….if possible i will want to get the scholarship..am really happy that such things like this do exsist,i pray that it can come down to nigeria, to help a lot of gud brains that are wasting due to lack of money….hope to hear from u
Greatest Harvard, i heard about harvard from my dad before he dead and he used to say, harvard is the best school in the world and he made a plegde that he will sponsor me to schooling in Harvard but now, i can’t come again but the only thing am expecting from Harvard is to give scholarship to continue my education.Harvard should be on top for ever.More grace to your elbow.
i will love to have the scholarship. how do i apply.
thanks
great,at least some universities remember poor people.from burundi
great,at least some universities remember poor people.
great harvard university, may god continue to bless you. iam gideon sylvester,from nigeria ,i lost daddy 7 yrs ago ,my mom is trying her best to trian us in school but she could not, but i am willing to study pls help me you are my only to study,i am undergraduate, i will forever be happy because education is sucess. great harverd
Great harvard university,may you continue to shine!
I have just finished my first degree programme in agricultural engineering,i was awarded a bachelor of engineering in Agricultural Engineering with a second class lower degree…I am currently serving my nation Nigeria,i will like to do my masters degree in Harvard university,i want to study further in food processing engineering,i will like harvard university to assist me….i will be very grateful
Knowledge is power!
Great Harvard!
kudos to havard for laying a sound path those that benefited from this programme will not course HAVARD.
But my concern is, the tuition free for non-american,especially africans.
Because some are out there with sound brain brain and reasoning but are deprevied of a quality education because of money.
Can such people benefit from this program.
I as a person managed to obtain a diploma in a Polytechnic, but no financial assistance to further my education.
And my long dream is to become a system & Network engineer and which I feel your program can make it come to realization, that if I am a beneficiary.
kudos to havard for laying a sound path those that benefited from this programme will not course HAVARD.
But my concern is, the tuition free for non-american,especially africans.
Because some are out there with sound brain brain and reasoning but are deprevied of a quality education because of money.
Can such people benefit from this program.
I as a person managed to obtain a diploma in a Polytechnic, but no financial assistance to further my education.
And my long dream is to become a system & Network engineer and which I feel your program can make it come to realization, that if I am a beneficiary.
IS UP TO HARVARD TO HELP PEOPLE FROM AFRICA TOO.
If you are willing to help me I realy want free scoralship becouse it is short cut to reach to the goal of my life.
Well it is very nice that HArvard is doing this for the sake of human resource development. I wish I was accepted for such an opportunity.
it is a pleasure to write to harvard,you have changed lifes academically by offering scholarships to the less priviledge.i am 19 years old,the fifth son of a trade unionisti have six credits in my secondary school certificate.i graduated from secondary school since 2004 and since then live as been so difficult for me to further my education and pursue my dream.i will be over joy if you offer me this great opportunity to study in harvard with no tution fee.thanks
i will like to commend the harvard authority for thier gesture in providing university education for the less privileged. However,a m fatherless and i want to pursue my education pls kindly help in saving my dream so that i will be usefull to my country and to help my siblings. pls help me
It’s really good idea that Harvard afford it.TO take an education from a prestigous university i think is great!
It’s really good idea that Harvard afford it.TO take an education from a prestigous university i think great!
Try to apply for scholarships, who knows!
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I am a Nigerian who studied Electrical Electronics. I have a single parent who is a dependant and siblings who depend on me for their living. I wish to pursue my Postgraduate Programmes in your school. I shall be exceedingly glad if I could be considered in your great institution for this. Thanks.
Omokoku Olawale
i want to benefit from varaity of knowlege
in havard and also pray that god almighty will reward the great institution and americans
for their generousity across the globe.
i believe am very intelligent and wants to a lawyer if given the opportunity.
I want to study abroad.But I am not capable for this.
i want to study. i am really intelligent but i have no money to continue i am about going into the university.
how can students in Africa apply for this free tuition scholarship.i am interested and intelligent but in africa.
for scholarship
Does international african students benefit from this program?
All said by you cliche and others,I know it’s just for a while. Help as much as you can before the big bang… I vote charity.
I Adedeji,Olayemi Olaniyi,
i completed my secondary school education in year 2003,but im unable to continue,due to insufficient fund to run degree program(bsc in accountancy).
pls help me benefit from your free tuition of your highly rated university of harvard.
Thanks,
Olayemi.
I READ ECONOMICS EDUCATION AT UNIVERSITY OF ILORIN, NIGERIA AND I MADE SECOND CLASS UPPER DIVISION. I WISH TO STUDY MARKETING MANAGEMNENT IN HARVARD BUT I DON’T HAVE MONEY TO DO THIS BECAUSE MY FATHER IS DEAD AND MY MOTHER IS PETTY TRADER. PLS HELP TO ME TO BENEFIT FROM YOUR FREE TUITION OF YOUR HIHGLY RATED UNIVERSITY OF HARVARD. THANKS
is it true you offer free tuition i would like to know how much will i pay as an computer and electronic engr student and medicine
I dont want to read this bullshit anymore
me and my husband are on benefits we have 3 chirdren,17,16,9,
my son needs help with his maths,and he would like a tutor to tutor him opera
Without the financial assistance provided by various programs and schools for children, my daughter would not be excelling beyond the level than that of her affluent classmates. Saying that rich people tend to produce smarter kids is an ignorant statement…..listen to our story :)
I am the single-mother of a 12-year old African-American girl (6th grade)who received a $20,000 scholarship to attend a very competitive independent day school here in Los Angeles, California. I am a public school teacher therefore, I am definitely considered low-income. My daughter attended a public gifted Magnet school in the inner city during elementary along with two other girls who also received scholarships to attend the same school. Her public school test scores have always been in the 90th percentile or higher and her prep school test scores have ranged from the 60th to 85th percentile range. She has participated in the Johns Hopkins Center for Talented Youth since the 1st grade and has received financial assistance throughout the years in this program. This program tests her against other kids that mainly attend very expensive prep schools. She consistently scores at their level or higher. She only received one ‘B’ this year, the rest of her 23 grades were all ‘A’s. She took various subjects that 6th graders typically do not take, Latin being one of them. The most interesting point that I would like to make is………SOME OF THE WEALTHIEST CHILDREN IN THE SCHOOL HAVE THE WORST GRADES AND BEHAVIOR AND DO NOT DESERVE TO BE IN THE SCHOOL. My daughter and her two friends have consistently been in the top of their class all year long and we are all low-income individuals from the inner city. Some of her rich friends are spoiled rotten and barely do their homework unless and overpaid nanny is sitting their to force them to do it. One of my daughters rich friends got C’s D’s and some ‘F’s on test and homework throughout most of the school year but just recently had a ‘Circus-themed’ bithday party with concession stands, live animals, and a paid staff of ten people to cater to the party-goers requests throughout the night. LOW-INCOME SHOULD NOT BE SYNONYMOUS WITH LOW-PERFORMING, LOW-EXPECTATIONS, OR LOW-INTELLIGENCE!!! My oldest daughter will be applying to Harvard as she is now 17 years old, graduated from high school at 15, and is ranked amongst the top 3% in the Chemical Technology department at the college that she now attends. She will get her 2-year degree from this school in June of 2006. Both of my children are well-deserving of any financial assistance that Harvard or any other institution can provide. I have always held the belief that I should never allow my income to hold these children back in any way. Not only do they deserve it but they would be an asset to any school that makes the decision to assist them financially.
Our forefathers died and struggled for us to have the opportunity to even be considered schools such as Harvard. We would be remiss if we did not take advantage of every financial and educational opportunity that comes our way. We don’t need ‘THE MAN’ to give us formalized reparations for the vistages of slavery that are present in many of our communities even up to our present day. I believe in taking my 40 acres and my mule for my family by arming them with the best education possible so that they can become productive members of the black community and the community at large. Even with all of the assistance that they have received, we are still owed more acreage from this country….my family will take what is being offered because the kids deserve it and I believe that they will will get our reparations for what this country did to the African-American through slavery one way or another!! It’s only fair. I welcome your responses and emails.
Please this scholarship is needed urgently.
adress; #18 orobosa street off siluko rd,Benin city,Edo state,Nigeria
postal code:234
“Genetics
Smart people tend to earn more money; people with more money tend to produce smarter kids.”
With all the jobs I listed above (mathematicians, computer programmers, computer analysts (ANY sort of computer job), engineers, biologists/chemists) that do not make a person rich; but require a person to be smart; i have proven that this statement is bullshit.
Again, does your genetic structure change because you are wealthy? Do the actual amino acids move around and switch places with each other for every dollar you get? ABSURD!!!
you are also saying, cliche, that the BULK of mathematicians, computer programmers, computer analysts (ANY sort of computer job), engineers, biologists/chemists, and people from third-world countries that kicked our @$$ in Math and Science with low-paying IT jobs (China, India)are not smart. That is what YOU are saying, which is WRONG.
These people are OBVIOUSLY smart, otherwise they wouldn’t have those jobs, you doofus. LOOK AT THE JOBS THAT I LISTED, INCLUDING INTL. AND TELL ME THAT PEOPLE WITH THOSE JOBS ARE RICH!!! I mean, how could you! All those jobs pay decently well, but those people are FAR from rich. Is that bullshit, cliche, or are YOU full of it?
If I were your tutor, I would teach you to “get down of your high horse, fold back your popped collar and think a bit outside your little privileged world” (a little deja vu, cliche?)
All the stuff i said was true, and YOU FOUND 1 NUMBER IN A WHOLE PAGE THAT WAS WRONG, AND EXPLOITED IT. I , however, found 7 errors in one paragraph, and instead of actually responding to what i said you wrote a page on my one number mistake.
Answer these questions:
1)Does our genetic structure change when we get more money?
2)Are people with the jobs listed above idiots because they are not rich?
THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING!!!
(quote from cliche)
“Genetics
Smart people tend to earn more money; people with more money tend to produce smarter kids.”
With all the jobs I listed above (mathematicians, computer programmers, computer analysts (ANY sort of computer job), engineers, biologists/chemists) that do not make a person rich; but require a person to be smart; i have proven that this statement is bullshit.
Again, does your genetic structure change because you are wealthy? Do the actual amino acids move around and switch places with each other for every dollar you get? ABSURD!!!
You tell me how that statement can be true, and answer those questions otherwise it is assumed that you have given up knowing that you are wrong.
(ready for another deja vu, cliche?)
I WANT EVERY YOUNG ASPIRANT WHO SEES THIS, the geek, the physicist, the mathematician, the brilliant genius that does not know what to do with his immensely, seemingly endless intellectual ability (which is like me), the medical researcher, the biologist, the chemist, the poor, cynical genius who thinks that college is a corrupt system designed to be a gateway for the rich into even more wealth and a respectable position, degrees being products, THIS IS NOT TRUE. NO MATTER HOW POOR, HOW DESOLATE YOU MAY BE, (and, speaking of cliche) KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!!! YOU CAN DO ANYTHING WITH INTELLIGENCE!!! YOU CAN GET SCOLARSHIPS OR GET FUNDS FROM PRIVATE ORGINIZATIONS THAT GIVE SCOLARSHIPS!! GIVING UP IS THE WORST THING YOU CAN DO! GOD GAVE YOU INTELLIGENCE, USE IT!!!
WIth that, good bye and good day
PS- Im waiting for your response, cliche, REALLY wating to see HOW YOU CAN EVEN SAY SOMETHING TO MY UNDENIABLE LOGIC!!!
i use multiple posts to stress different points?
Why can’t you respond to my threads? Because you KNOW that you are WRONG
you are diverting attention from the main points to nonsense because you know how stupid and senseless your argument is….
First, it takes you three posts to respond to me; when I answer your response, it takes you four more posts. When you’re ready to put whatever questions you have into one cognizable post with some control over the ‘Caps Lock’ button, I’ll consider answering your idiotic questions.
(quote from cliche)”Poor people don’t go to Harvard, not because they can’t afford it, but because they can’t, period.”
1) That IS an absolute statement with NO exceptions (i thought you were smart)
2) You are saying that poverty is because of stupidity; that people aren’t rich because they are idiots
(sigh)
Can you even respond to that?
+, not = (typo on my last thread)
you are also saying, cliche, that the BULK of mathematicians, computer programmers, computer analysts (ANY sort of computer job), engineers, biologists/chemists, and people from third-world countries that kicked our @$$ in Math and Science with low-paying IT jobs (China, India)are not smart. That is what YOU are saying, which is WRONG.
These people are OBVIOUSLY smart, otherwise they wouldn’t have those jobs, you doofus. LOOK AT THE JOBS THAT I LISTED, INCLUDING INTL. AND TELL ME THAT PEOPLE WITH THOSE JOBS ARE RICH!!! I mean, how could you! All those jobs pay decently well, but those people are FAR from rich. Is that bullshit, cliche, or are YOU full of it?
If I were your tutor, I would teach you to “get down of your high horse, fold back your popped collar and think a bit outside your little privileged world” (a little deja vu, cliche?)
All the stuff i said was true, and YOU FOUND 1 NUMBER IN A WHOLE PAGE THAT WAS WRONG, AND EXPLOITED IT. I , however, found 7 errors in one paragraph, and instead of actually responding to what i said you wrote a page on my one number mistake.
Answer these questions:
1)Does our genetic structure change when we get more money?
2)Are people with the jobs listed above idiots because they are not rich?
THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING!!!
(quote from cliche)
“Genetics
Smart people tend to earn more money; people with more money tend to produce smarter kids.”
With all the jobs I listed above (mathematicians, computer programmers, computer analysts (ANY sort of computer job), engineers, biologists/chemists) that do not make a person rich; but require a person to be smart; i have proven that this statement is bullshit.
Again, does your genetic structure change because you are wealthy? Do the actual amino acids move around and switch places with each other for every dollar you get? ABSURD!!!
You tell me how that statement can be true, and answer those questions otherwise it is assumed that you have given up knowing that you are wrong.
(ready for another deja vu, cliche?)
I WANT EVERY YOUNG ASPIRANT WHO SEES THIS, the geek, the physicist, the mathematician, the brilliant genius that does not know what to do with his immensely, seemingly endless intellectual ability (which is like me), the medical researcher, the biologist, the chemist, the poor, cynical genius who thinks that college is a corrupt system designed to be a gateway for the rich into even more wealth and a respectable position, degrees being products, THIS IS NOT TRUE. NO MATTER HOW POOR, HOW DESOLATE YOU MAY BE, (and, speaking of cliche) KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!!! YOU CAN DO ANYTHING WITH INTELLIGENCE!!! YOU CAN GET SCOLARSHIPS OR GET FUNDS FROM PRIVATE ORGINIZATIONS THAT GIVE SCOLARSHIPS!! GIVING UP IS THE WORST THING YOU CAN DO! GOD GAVE YOU INTELLIGENCE, USE IT!!!
WIth that, good bye and good day
PS- Im waiting for your response, cliche, REALLY wating to see HOW YOU CAN EVEN SAY SOMETHING TO MY UNDENIABLE LOGIC!!!
your, not yuour
My dad IS a nuclear physicist and physics professor making 85k/yr= summer classes (varies) i got my figures from a magazine that had all median incomes for many jobs, the median for both genders
so you are saying that yuour genetic structure changes when you get more money…
“PS- Im waiting for your response, cliche, REALLY wating to see HOW YOU CAN EVEN SAY SOMETHING TO MY UNDENIABLE LOGIC!!!”
Okay, let me start ripping up your so-called logic. Your whole arguement is your questionable little sob story and figures pulled out of your ass.
“Since when did you see a physicist that was overly rich (avg salary for a physicist-$49,347/yr:research it. your figures wont be any different than these)”
Lets not come up with BS figures like that just to make a point. According to US Department of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics,
“Median annual earnings of physicists were $85,020 in 2002. The middle 50 percent earned between $66,680 and $107,410. The lowest 10 percent earned less than $50,350, and the highest 10 percent earned more than $129,250.”
Actually, the above figures are from 2002, so adjust for inflation and… wait, that’s still more than the average of $49,347/year that you quoted: It still doesn’t change the fact that you’re full of shit!
“My father was born in India… He SKIPPED THREE GRADES… he scored THE HIGHEST (89%) IN THE WHOLE DISTRICT… His Masters exam was SO good… he has a PhD in Physics and is living in America as a Physics professor and practicing physicist.”
1. If you got your $49,347 anual salary from your dad, he’s at the bottom 10% of the game. A halfway competent physics professor in a major university with a few papers out earns around $100k.
2. Is your dad really a physics professor in the first place? Based on how full of shit you are, I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s the one who cleaned up after my slurpee this morning.
“*Note-he spelled environment wrong-smart kid!”
Oh my, did I forgot an ‘n’? I must be stupid. By the way, the grammatically correct way to write that would be:
Note: He spelled ‘environment’ wrong–smart kid!
“SMART KIDS DO NOT NEED TO BE TUTORED! AGAIN, BLATANTLY OBVIOUS to ANY FOOL!”
Yes, what you say is obvious to fools, but fools only. Anyone benefits from tutoring. For instance, if I was your tutor, I’d teach you where the ‘Caps Lock’ button is on your keyboard and you will benefit by not sounding quite as foolish. Now, if only I can think of an example where *smart* kids benefit from tutoring…
“DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT (that is w-h-a-t) GENETICS IS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!”
Yes. It means that when rich school districts always do better than poor school districts in any standardized test, there’s probably a reason other than pure luck. I say it’s genetics and environment; you have no idea. Start talking when you have a clue.
“LIKE THE HUNGARIAN SAID, I WANT EVERY YOUNG ASPIRANT WHO SEES THIS…”
…to not be an ass and call people by their names instead of their ethnicity. Got it Indian?
MISTAKE ON MY NAME-i am not a nuclear physicist, i am a nuclear physicist’s SON
AGAIN, note this mistake
(another ignorant quote from cliche that i just couldnt leave unresponded to)”Poor people don’t go to Harvard, not because they can’t afford it, but because they can’t, period.”
Lets give a hand to cliche, who has made a complete @$$ out of himself! Do i even have to explain the ignorant, idiotic flaw in that statement? Do i actually have to TELL you your grave mistake? Anyway, i think my last thread was long enough! lol
CLICHE, YOU S-I-C-K-E-N ME. Im sorry, but you are absolutely wrong. Anyone reading this, read cliche’s comments and #12 (the Hungarian made an excellent point!)
I know the manner in which i started this thread was quite unsettluing, but then again, so were your messages. Let me tell you a story.
My father was born in India. He was the son of a poor farmer. His dad died when he was 2 years old, thus he didn’t know him very well. The rest of his family had to sell the farm for whatever little they could get and live with his uncle’s family (unlike US, family will take each other in indefinitely). His uncle would only give him an EDUCATION. NOT a special education, a REGULAR education at a local REGULAR GOVT. (“public”) school. He SKIPPED THREE GRADES BY TESTING OUT OF EVERY SUBJECT (1-3), ALONG WITH 10 OTHER STUDENTS,WHO WERE MAINLY POOR LIKE HIM. In his final exams he ALWAYS had the highest scores. In secondary “high” school, he exceled in math and physics, and in his graduation exam (British-like school system, 40%=passing, 70%=excellent, questions are 3 grade levels ahead of our system (i.e.:algebra in 5th grade) he scored THE HIGHEST (89%) IN THE WHOLE DISTRICT
A few (5-6) of his friends, all poor like he was scored respectably high (70-80%). His uncle let him go to a state college only because of his undeniable genius, and My dad got a Masters in Physics. He loved research, but also enlightenment. His Masters exam was SO good, he had an opportunity he hadn’t realized. He had sent applications to american colleges with his incredible test scores requesting a scolarship. He got TEN replies. And, again, 5 of his poor friends ended up in America with rspectable jobs. Anyway, today he has a PhD in Physics and is living in America as a Physics professor and practicing physicist. I, his son, gifted with his intelligience, almost guilt-filled at my easy path in America, blowing through the easy “high” school, taking Calculus and C++ in 10th grade (a little deja vu, cliche?) and Quantum Physics in 11th. I will be a senior and i know that i want to be a neurosurgeon and neurologist. im sorry but you are WRONG. if a student is not rich enough he/she can get a low-interest college loan. There you make some good points, but in effect they hold no real weight. DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT (that is w-h-a-t) GENETICS IS?!?!?!?!?!?!?! What bull:
(quote from cliche)
“Genetics
Smart people tend to earn more money; people with more money tend to produce smarter kids.”
Response-NOT true. Since when did you see a physicist that was overly rich (avg salary for a physicist-$49,347/yr:research it. your figures wont be any different than these)
Are you saying that physicists are not smart?
I know you were only generalizing, but there are lots of physicists in America (believe it or not!) and generalization, as you the smart person obviously knows, only works when there are FEW exceptions. the BULK of physicists, mathematicians, programmers, computer experts (any computer job), engineers, and biologists/chemists who average, by the way, 40-55k per year are not FEW exceptions, cliche, they are NUMEROUS exceptions, you stuck-up fool! People with more money tend to PRODUCE smarter kids?! Are you insane?! It is not like there are factories that PRODUCE people and the more you pay, the better (smarter) a kid the factory will make you (“you get what you pay for”) It is not like that. SMART people tend to produce SMART kids, you ignorant fool, regardless of how much paper there is in their pockets, regardless of how much “money” they have; that is TOTALLY IRREVELANT!! Do you REALLY think that your genetic structure is ALTERED when you get more green, more gold? Do you really think that your DNA sequences CHANGE, that the actual amino acids move and switch places for every dollar you get?! How idiotic can you possibly be!!
“Environmet
Private schooled and tutored kid will generally do better academically than the one who had to work at Mcdonalds.”
*Note-he spelled environment wrong-smart kid!
NOT true. I thought you were smart, cliche. (This statement gives all smart people a bad name! (sigh))Have you ever thought about the fact that people who are tutored NEED help in academics? THAT IS THE POINT OF TUTORING, and ANY IDIOT COULD FIGURE THAT OUT!!! People who are tutored need to be tutored so that they can learn better. SMART KIDS DO NOT NEED TO BE TUTORED! AGAIN, BLATANTLY OBVIOUS to ANY FOOL! Private schools HELP kids concentrate on learning rather that all the other distractions in life so the kid does better on the test. That has nothing to do with raw intelligience, just good training. And remember, not all private schools are great and have 90% college graduates in their senior class!
LIKE THE HUNGARIAN SAID, I WANT EVERY YOUNG ASPIRANT WHO SEES THIS, the geek, the physicist, the mathematician, the brilliant genius that does not know what to do with his immensely, seemingly endless intellectual ability (which is like me), the medical researcher, the biologist, the chemist, the poor, cynical genius who thinks that college is a corrupt system designed to be a gateway for the rich into even more wealth and a respectable position, degrees being products, THIS IS NOT TRUE. NO MATTER HOW POOR, HOW DESOLATE YOU MAY BE, (and, speaking of cliche) KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!!! YOU CAN DO ANYTHING WITH INTELLIGENCE!!! YOU CAN GET SCOLARSHIPS OR GET FUNDS FROM PRIVATE ORGINIZATIONS THAT GIVE SCOLARSHIPS!! GIVING UP IS THE WORST THING YOU CAN DO! GOD GAVE YOU INTELLIGENCE, USE IT!!!
WIth that, good bye and good day
PS- Im waiting for your response, cliche, REALLY wating to see HOW YOU CAN EVEN SAY SOMETHING TO MY UNDENIABLE LOGIC!!!
“As long as people like you come by and tell these kids that they are screwed by birthright, [they’ll never succeed].
Smart people, especially the ones motivated as well, don’t tend to get discouraged by negative comments such as ones that I’ve made. As I said, there are always exceptions. And congrats for getting into Oxford.
I’m from a middle class family (dad made $90k, mom worked off and on) and experienced both rich and poor kids. I was in a magnet program of about 350 kids, that was situated in a high school of 2000 kids in a poor district(probably for demographic reasons). Almost all of the magnets were smart as hell, and rich. I had a hard time just to keep up with homeworks–while the rich kids had daily private tutors to help them out. But even the best of the poor kids didn’t even come close: how can you compare a 10th grader learning C++ and Calculus(Analisis I), to one learning Geometry and Typing? I have poor friends who are pretty smart, but didn’t do well academically due to his environment. I’ve also seen many poor stupid(not ignorant, but plain stupid) kids; I have yet to see a completely stupid rich kid(aside from Dubya). Hence, my theory.
Again, as I’ve said before, some do break the odds to succeed, and they(you) deserve all the applause. But going back to the original post, it’s a tiny minority that doesn’t really matter either way for Harvard.
I ended up going to UofI(Illionis), not because my parents couldn’t afford tuition at MIT or CalTech, but because I knew it’ll be a serious burdon on them. I don’t regret going to UofI, and it’s one of the best public schools for engineering. But relating to the topic, a lot of middle class kids don’t go to prestigious private schools because of tuition; very few poor kids can even make into prestigious private schools in the first place. It would make a difference if private schools offered something close to this to middle income kids, but it doesn’t make much difference offering this to lower income families.
cliche: I’m from a relatively poor family from a relatively poor country (Hungary). But my parents put all they had and all they could into my education. I just finished High School with high honours and will read for a degree in Law with Law Studies in Europe at the University of Oxford (a quite competitive degree, there are dozens of applicants for a single place).
Genetics? Environment? As long as people like you come by and tell these kids that they are screwed by birthright, they will gladly accept this reasoning and do poor and end up pouring steel in a mill at the end of the world (no offense towards steel workers), while they had the potential to be the leaders of the future.
Honestly, just get down of your high horse, fold back your popped collar and think a bit outside your little privileged world…
I couldn’t agree more with george (george herra)..# 7.
They could’ve done it when I was starting college.
Wait, Princeton was there first in a way, ALL students can attend without taking out loans — so if a low income student needed a 100% tuition loan to attend, tuition is free. The first Princeton “no-loan” class graduated this year.
thought its great but messy..
seems like a good move in general, but they’re going to have to be very selective about which low income students they admit. you can’t just go taking kids with excellent grades from low income area high schools, since it is generally easier to succeed in such high schools in comparison with middle and upper class ones. honestly, if you take the top 5% from a poor high school, many of the kids will have a very hard time at a university like this. maybe top 1% + low income. it’s pretty complicated to figure out the best way to make the most of these good intentions.
Great. They couldn’t make this announcement 3 years ago when I was just starting college?
Wonder if this applies to Masters programs too…
Hi Cliche –
I know you didn’t say “absolute” but the way you put it in your first post was a little harsh. :)
Your reasoning is very sound – if you have a 17 year old and the combined income is only $40k or less, you’re right… there is a problem. But, some situtations only have 1 parent, or some students are older when they go to school.
I was thinking about my situation in relation to this question (and my response) – my father went to Brown, my mother Columbia. They divorced when I was very young and my mother was a single mother making only $30k/year (in 1993, in Westchester County, NY). My father point blank would not help with college. So, 2 parents very well educated, but a family barely scraping by.
Fast forward now I am 30 and I am planning to go back to school. After 7 years as a web designer I am making $43k a year. After evaluating the area schools I’m going to a state school because it is affordable above all else – the idea of accumulating $160k of debt for an education is not worth it to me.
So, if Harvard wants to offer someone like me free tuition (assuming I could get in), yes, I would be very thankful and take it in a heart beat. I hope other institutions follow suit to level the playing field a little bit, I have to assume there are a lot of people out there who could go to Harvard (or MIT or Penn or …) but don’t because of the overwhelming financial burden.
(PS – your comment on housing costs and $60k/yr to be middle-class is right on, and frankly made me feel depressed. :)
Terms that I used, such as “tend to” and “generally” is not the same as “absolute”. Yes, it can be done and it has been done–but it’s rare.
And Jen, making $43k a year is not poor when you’re fresh out of college, and that should be around the average starting salary($30k/yr for liberal arts to $55k/yr for chem-e). If the whole household makes less than $40k/yr after 17+ years of graduating college, it normally means one or a combination of below:
-Parents didn’t go to college in the first place.
-Single parent without child support, which coincidentally happens more often in poor areas.
-Incompetence(scroll up to genetics).
Or we can look at the average home prices in suburbia, which is a bit over $260k. With, say 5% down 3% interest, we’re looking at $1500/mo for 30 year term, which is $18k/yr. Now, since it’s realistic to say that people spend less than 1/3 of their income on mortgage, we can multiply that figure by 3 and it’s $54k: Minimum after-tax amount necessary to own an average house. So household income that I would call middle class is over $60k. And no, I can’t really call a whole family living in an apartment middle class, unless it’s a new family or in a city.
I disagree cliche – yes, there certainly is some merit to such a broad statement. Rich people often are smarter and academically more inclined. But, making $40k/yr does not make you “poor”. It makes you middle class in most areas of the country (save for the *really* expensive areas like NYC, etc). There are plenty of middle-class folks who are highly intelligent.
My boyfriend went to MIT, as did most of my friends. We also have a few acquaintances who went to Harvard. None of them came from “rich” families but rather middleof the road middle-class families.
As for me… I live in the Boston area and I make $43k/year just barely exceeding Harvard’s free-tuition cap. I have an IQ of 140, and while the validity of IQ can be debated till the cows come home, even though I am not rich (and by your generalization I am considered “poor”) I am also not an idiot. I could potentially get accepted to Harvard, but frankly the idea of spending $160k on an education to me is not worth it. For that reason I’m going to state school for $10k/yr. While the prestige of going to a place like Harvard will get you in a lot of doors, I don’t think it’s worth drowing in financial aid debt for a whole decade.
However, if I were able to go to a top-notch school for free or reduced tuition yes, I would do it. That’s why I am glad that Harvard is taking this step. Yes, it most likely is for PR reasons but the end result is the same – to make an education from a prestigous university more acdessible for smart but “poor” people.
Guess I was one of the few to beat those odds then. Back when I was a kid I would say my parents earned at most $46k combined and I got into Harvard and Brown.
But you are mostly right cliche. It’s not the fact that smart people earn more money, it just happens to be that people in better situations have better opportunities.
Hell, there are a lot of factors to consider.
Poor people don’t go to Harvard, not because they can’t afford it, but because they can’t, period.
Genetics
Smart people tend to earn more money; people with more money tend to produce smarter kids.
Environmet
Private schooled and tutored kid will generally do better academically than the one who had to work at Mcdonalds.
A few kids may beat these odds and make it to Harvard. But their numbers are insignificant compared to the attention and praise they get for this. Score one for Harvard PR machine.
Well, it’s nice that Harvard is doing this – college is getting sooooo outrageously costly these days that going to a top notch school is quickly becoming something only rich people can afford.
However – to make this program truely fair, Harvard should create some sort of scale to factor in cost of living in the area you are from. Earning 40k/yr is relative to where you live. $40k/yr will take you a lot farther if you live in Nebraska vs NYC where you’d have to earn $100k/yr to be equivalent.
Regardless, it’s nice to see Harvard at least taking this step. I hope other universities follow their lead to bring tuition costs down to a more reasonable level.